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Help with staining wood

Well itís been a adventure and just when I thought I was close.....I run into problems. Im making a peninsula aquarium stand. I am now In the process of staining it. Now I have white marks showing up? What could be causing this and I try to stain over it nothing happens?


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To me the spots look like places you got glue on the wood. Spots of glue will seal the wood to where it won't accept a stain. Any place you might get glue on the wood when you are assembling a project should be washed off with a wet cloth. From there it only takes a light sanding and should finish well. Spots of water will make dark spots on the wood when you stain because it raises the grain and makes the wood accept more stain.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is glue residue.

Its going to be a tough one. The only way to remove it is scraping or sanding. That is going to make matching the unstained wood under the glue a challenge.

Not sure what to tell you. Have you considered painting it?

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in the future, keep in mind that water resistant adhesives
will also block stains and clear finishes.
unfortunately, this is water under the bridge for you and may become
very frustrating n the recovery process.
beautiful looking project - in spite of the issues.
just for experimentation and for your own education, take a piece of the
same plywood and intentionally put glue finger prints all over it and
apply the same stain. then, play around with different products to
see what you can find that will "somewhat" cover the contaminated spots.
(work with small areas).

for anyone that is going to embark on the Fine Furniture journey
should invest in a fluorescent adhesive such as Titebond II Fluorescent Glue.
it will fluoresce when exposed to a common black light indicating where
any unwanted contaminants may be.
[QUICKLY removing any excess adhesive before it dries is the key].
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Yea itís going to much of an issue now staining it. My rescue plan is to Prime it with Kilz then paint over it with Behr paint and a final coat of Valspar urethane


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there is no reason to put a clear coat over a good quality paint.
the paint itself will far outlast any clear.
just choose a good quality acrylic enamel and you will be satisfied.

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Would the Behr paints work?



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what color are you going to paint it ?

I personally am not a fan of Behr products, that is just me.
if this were my project, and I as painting over stain, I would
prime with Zinsser "BIN" or "CoverStain Primer & Stain Blocker-Bond Coat".
allow to dry a minimum of 24 hours and paint with Benjamin Moore Advance.
if you use a $7.00 paint you will get $7.00 results.
scuff with a Scotchbrite pad, steel wood or 120 grit sandpaper, remove all contaminants with a solvent wash such as mineral spirits or Naphtha.
it would be best if you consult with a Paint Professional at your local PPG, BM or SW store explaining your situation.

People often have less than satisfactory results with Zinsser Primers
and/or BM Advance because they put on too heavy of a coat, recoat too
soon or when the temperature & humidity is too low/high, etc.
which is the common problem with all finishes.

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I was thinking of the Valspar due to the fact that the aquarium going to be saltwater , I want to make sure it wonít eat through the paint?


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okay - let's back up a bit. . . .
what brand of stain did you use and in what direction were you
going for a clear coat before you found out the glue issues ??
what type and brand of clear coat were you planning on using.

if you are concerned about salt water affecting the paint . . . .
I have a small boat that I have painted several times with the
Rust-Oleum Topside Enamel. I often use the boat in the ocean
tributaries and down in the Florida Keys in pure salt water.
the paint holds extremely well. but, you are limited to just a few
basic colors and it is not tintable.
if you want white paint, I highly recommend the Topside.
if you want to use the rattle cans, Rust-Oleum's primer and paint
is salt tolerable.
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Help with staining wood

I was using minwax oil stain never got to even touch the clear coat on it. I was going to use Helsman Velspar urethane for a clear coat


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Unfortunately I have to try for another color besides white more of a brown color to match the house. Would I be alright as a last resort to use Behr paint or another brand and then use the Helsman Valspar?


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The easiest fix would be to paint the cabinet however it is possible to touch up the glue stains. You could go over the stained spots with a gel stain using a small artist brush and blend in some color. It will adhere to stained wood and you can let it dry on the surface like paint.

As far as a finish an oil based polyurethane would protect the wood from salt water. You couldn't submerge the polyurethane in salt water however spills wouldn't lift poly.
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Helmsman is not made by Valspar - it is Min-Wax, same as the stain.
Valspar paints are all latex (from what I understand) and can be tinted
to any color.
as a note: Sherwin-Williams has purchased the Valspar company.
so hopefully, the merge will not mess up anything.

you can use any brand or type of primer and paint that you can find
at your local Box Store. a tiny splash of salt now and then should be ok.

Helmsman Spar Urethane is a varnish type of coating.
it has a slight amber color, it is not crystal clear.
it is not recommended for any outdoor projects.

you should consult with the Paint Professional at the Box Store to see which
type of paint will fit your project the best.

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I agree salt water may be an issue, in which case a marine paint like John suggested would be a good choice.


The best approach for apiece like this is spraying. Maybe you know someone who can do that? If that's not an option, patience and the best quality brushes you can afford.


The color is of course up to you, but I would stick with a dark color. I've seen a couple aquarium built ins like this painted black, which although not a first choice for me, did a good job of accentuating the tank, especially when the light is on.


That said, black will hide a lot of the detail you spent to much time on.
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