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...My other concerns are these, table vs contractor....
These are all table saws....This article will help you understand the various classifications. A "contractor saw" is a full size (usually 27" deep x 40" wide including the width of the wings) stationary saw with a belt drive induction motor, but some of the newer contractor saws move the belt drive induction motor inside the enclosure, more like a hybrid saw. The term "contractor" saw is a bit of a misnomer, because contractors don't usually use them anymore, since the invention of portable jobsite saws a couple of decades ago. They were originally developed about 60 years ago as a somewhat portable alternative to a 500# cabinet saw, but at 250# contractor saws are still pretty big to move from jobsite to jobsite, however they'll roll around the shop nicely on a mobile base.

Full size contractor saws have numerous performance advantages if you can find a way to fit one in your garage. If not, one of the better portable jobsite saws like the Ridgid R4510, Bosch 4001, or DeWalt are typically the best of the bunch. I think you'd be better off skipping any of the cheaper benchtop saws and benchtop saws on leg stands if possible.

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I have a Craftsman 10" table saw Model # 113.298750- this is in very good condition and has a brand new blade. It has a heavy cast iron worktop and all parts included. Asking 250.00 you must pickup or arrange shipping.
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drwood, where are you located? Thank you all so much, my husband will be getting this link for this great forum as well! My budget is probably maxed at 400. My other concerns are these, table vs contractor. He will be using the garage, which also houses both cars on snowy days. With the limited space - portability to stick in the corner is a must. We don't really have an area big enough to keep it out permanently. I think after all of your advice I probably have a handle on what he would like. I love the idea of the wood with a note for him to pick it out! Again, thanks so much for all of the advice!!
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Hi knotscott! They say you are an expert, what do you think? RYOBI 10" TABLE SAW / BT-3000 Precision Cutting System - $350 This gentleman seems sincere. Was thinking about offering 300??
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The Ryobi bt3000 is sort of an interesting saw design. There is an active community built around this model at www.bt3central.com . It could make a good first saw if that one is in good shape. I would probably offer $250 tops.
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Hi knotscott! They say you are an expert, what do you think? RYOBI 10" TABLE SAW / BT-3000 Precision Cutting System - $350 This gentleman seems sincere. Was thinking about offering 300??
The BT is kind of a neat saw for the right person. Folks seem to love it or hate it, but it is capable of good cuts if setup correctly, which is something that needs to be learned. It's a little smaller than a full size saw, lighter, has a belt drive universal motor vs belt drive induction motor of a full size saw, and has a neat sliding miter table. Unfortunately, the gentleman is asking too much for it IMO. The newer updated BT3100 sold in the $300-$350 range when it was being made. The only current version still available is the Craftsman 21829...still made by Ryobi, but is on a rollaway stand and comes with a built in router table....sells new for ~ $500 ($444 today) with warranty and return privileges if it doesn't work out, which I think is a better deal than $350 for a 10-15 year old used one with no warranty. There's a website called BT3Central.com dedicated to this saw....they have all the answers on this saw and is a great support group for users. They'd probably agree with me on the price of this used one, but it wouldn't hurt to ask their opinions.

edit: basically I agree with Mandres!


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Hi knotscott! They say you are an expert, what do you think? RYOBI 10" TABLE SAW / BT-3000 Precision Cutting System - $350 This gentleman seems sincere. Was thinking about offering 300??
Hi again Spangler, I haven't had any experience with the BT3000, the first saw I bought was the Ryobi BTS21, admittedly the little brother of the BTS3000, and not a good replacement for the BTS20. Having said that I knew after the first cut that the BTS21 wasn't the TS for the stuff I had planned, (building shelving in garage, cabinets in garage, at least one bath vanity, outdoor furniture, planters, some simple furniture pieces and finally cabinets for the kitchen. Which doesn't include many other projects I have dreamed up. One of the main issues with the Ryobi saws, if your husband starts to take a real interest in building things, he will want to add accessories or jigs that any standard table saw would use, and he can't, notice the BT3000 has replaced the miter slot with a sliding table. The sliding table is nice for small pieces but as soon as you need to cut something large it becomes an obstacle. The fence will frustrate him because every time he has to move it he will have to calibrate it for accuracy. Plus the weight of that setup makes it difficult to cut large pieces, imagine trying cut a half sheet of plywood let alone a full sheet, on that saw.
Note that some people are very ingenious and can figure out how to make such a saw work for them in a variety of applications, however the extra effort & time necessary trying to figure out how to make something "get by" also produces lots of frustration, and that time and energy could have been better used actually building something easily with the right tool.

$400 you should be able to get a decent used real table saw, very stable, very expandable with either home made jigs and lots of store bought accessories, plus they are the standard for both hobby woodworkers and pros.
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It's worth noting that the BT series is very different from the direct drive Ryobi saws and similar direct drive saws due in part to being belt driven, which helps with accuracy and smoothness. TTI/Ryobi also made the most recent Ridgid contractor saws, which are also very different from other Ryobi saws. Most owners find the BT's fence to be pretty good, though perhaps not as robust as something like a steel Biesemeyer, as I'll occasionally read about someone breaking the clip off the end (it's easily repaired though). Yocalif's points about size and miter slots are valid, though I think some of the BT configurations have an optional miter slot available. The size and weight restrictions of a smaller saw remain, but they are a tad bigger and heavier than other Ryobi direct drive benchtops and portables. I personally don't find them as appealing as a full size traditional cast iron saw largely for those reasons, but it's hard for me to argue with the passion those that have mastered it's unique features have for the saw, which is one reason I think it's at least worth a look. DBHost has a version of one of these and usually weighs in on them....BTW where's he been?
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I also was talking to this guy about his, he is asking me 450 currently, still a bit out of my reach but?......DeWalt table saw w/ rolling stand - $550 (listed $ 629 at Home Depot)

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I also was talking to this guy about his, he is asking me 450 currently, still a bit out of my reach but?......DeWalt table saw w/ rolling stand - $550 (listed $ 629 at Home Depot)
Seems pretty high to me... $350 would be more appropriate IMO. That's a portable jobsite saw...still a pretty small, but if that's what suits the need, I'd also look into the Ridgid R4510.
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I also was talking to this guy about his, he is asking me 450 currently, still a bit out of my reach but?......DeWalt table saw w/ rolling stand - $550 (listed $ 629 at Home Depot)

You can buy that saw new at buy.com for $585.00 shipped.
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Lightbulb Ryobi Experiment!

I know Christmas is over and the original poster probably got her husband a table saw already, but for anyone else reading the thread, I'm going to buy one of these Ryobi table saws next month. I'll post here again to let you all know how it went!

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Not sure if I should've started a new thread for this... :/

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