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post #21 of 34 Old 11-10-2012, 04:13 PM
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Some buy Festool because they truly appreciate the quality, convenience, versatility, comfort of use etc etc....

Some buy Festool because they can....

Others buy Festool just so they can SAY they have Festool....
For that matter you can substitute Festool with Harley Davidson, BMW or Mercedes and you would still be on the mark, if there is a demand it will be available.

Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something -Plato

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I used a Festool sander and their dust extractor at a trade show a few years ago and was blown away. I saved and saved and purchased the set. It has changed the way I work. No dust mask! I have purchased many of their tools since. Do they make me money? Nope. Do they make me happy? YOu bet your ass. I have ever been happier with a company then I am with Festool.
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I was actually logging on today to search about a festool jigsaw
I currently own a ts55 and purchased it about 7 years ago it is still the best tool I have in my van
I am in the need of a jigsaw and i am going to order the eq300 later this week,has any one any info on this jigsaw
There are plenty of reviews on YouTube and the FOG. Here's a good one by Paul-Marcel over at the Half Inch Shy blog.

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I was actually logging on today to search about a festool jigsaw
I currently own a ts55 and purchased it about 7 years ago it is still the best tool I have in my van
I am in the need of a jigsaw and i am going to order the eq300 later this week,has any one any info on this jigsaw
The thing I've heard about this jigsaw is that the blade stays straighter while it's cutting because of the way the Festool base is designed. I was told it cuts like a scroll saw because of the base and blade design. You can use Festool blades in other jig saws though; just FYI.

That said, I've had the same Porter Cable jigsaw for about 15 years now and I just cant justify buying the Festool right now. My PC works awesome (as jigsaws go), and I really don't use a jigsaw that much. Although, whenever I use my PC I kind of hope it'll puke out, but the thing just keeps humming along!

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Saw a FestoolSaw demonstration recently and was very impressed with the way they have gone after dust. Making just about every tool with a port to attach their dust "extraction" hose. When hooked up to the tool the extraction works very well, very little dust in the air. Now the big question, are they worth the money they want? They are super expensive! The salesman told me that in a commercial shop (that I don't have) a Festool a sander will outlast 6 or 8 DeWalts or P.C. Or Bosch sanders. But I could buy about 10 of the other brands to one Festool. I think it is an excellent product but grossly overpriced. I'm just a weekend woodworker I have no use for that kind of equipment for that price. Also I'm 50 yrs old I'm not going to invest in tools that expensive when if need be I'll run down to the local hardware store and purchase another DeWalt sander when my old one dies. What is your opinion on the price of Festool?
I remember the first time I saw Festool's TS-55 in Woodcraft I thought to myself, what idiot would pay $550 for a freaking skilsaw?! After I saw what they did and how well they worked, I figured that out! I LOVE my TS-55 .

I also have 2 Festool sanders and the Festool dust collector. The RO90 and the ETS150 are the sanders I have and the CT 26 is the dust collector I have. Sanding w/ the Festool sanders while using the dust collector is nothing short of AMAZING! There's virtually no dust. That's not the only plus though, the sanders are designed amazingly well too. The ETS150 is sooooo nice to use. All the different pads that are offered make it fantastic and it's action is superb.

The RO90 is a marvel! The way I see the RO90 sander is like this- Someone will come out w/ a sander and I'll think to myself, that's a great idea! Then I'll use it and it'll be a complete turd. Somehow, Festool took all those great ideas and combined them in this marvelous little sander, and they made it work phenomenally! It's awesome for perfecting just about anything.

Even the Festool sandpaper is fantastic. The stuff lasts a long time, and when you add up how much you get compared to buying the 10 packs of Norton (which is all I used before I got the Festool) its pretty cheap.

You'll be hard pressed to find someone that bought a Festool and regrets it; they're fantastic tools regardless of whether or not your a hobby woodworker, or you make a living building cabinets or furniture.

I will say this though, it was a tough decision between the ETS150 and the Mirka Ceros sander. The decision maker for me on that was that I had Festool already, and the Festool was actually about $200 cheaper than the Mirka. I definitely LOVE my ETS150, but that Mirka is an awesome sander as well.

All that said, I don't work for or represent Festool in any way other than simply stating that they make fantastic power tools. Their tools work incredibly well. I still can't justify spending the money for the Domino, the Kapex, or their cordless drills so I can't vouch for those; my Makita miter saw, my PC and my Dewalt biscuit jointer, and my little 12v Bosch drills work way too well to trade up. But the sanders, the dust collector and that track saw are awesome tools and worth every penny IMO.

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There are plenty of reviews on YouTube and the FOG. Here's a good one by Paul-Marcel over at the Half Inch Shy blog.

Review of Festool Trion PS300 - YouTube
One thing I didn't get in this review is when he said "when I go to rough cut stock w/ my jigsaw". Who rough cut's stock w/ a jigsaw? I can't imagine a scenario where I would want to do that.

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One thing I didn't get in this review is when he said "when I go to rough cut stock w/ my jigsaw". Who rough cut's stock w/ a jigsaw? I can't imagine a scenario where I would want to do that.
The only scenario I can think of is removing excess material before routing to a template, eg. for a radius or something.
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There is definitely two sides of the house here with on side being the weekend warrior and the other side being those who make a living or an income with their wood working skills. Yeah as a hobbyist a Festool would be wonderful but way to expensive, for my case anyways.

I was a little put off by Ian Kirby's laptop table article in Wood Worker's Journal where he went on for two paragraphs and a side bar about using the Festool Domino loose tenon system. If I were to build that project I would be reaching for my dowling jig or creating traditional MT joints.

Maybe I could put Festools on my Christmas wish list.
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There is definitely two sides of the house here with on side being the weekend warrior and the other side being those who make a living or an income with their wood working skills. Yeah as a hobbyist a Festool would be wonderful but way to expensive, for my case anyways.

I was a little put off by Ian Kirby's laptop table article in Wood Worker's Journal where he went on for two paragraphs and a side bar about using the Festool Domino loose tenon system. If I were to build that project I would be reaching for my dowling jig or creating traditional MT joints.

Maybe I could put Festools on my Christmas wish list.
I hear you. I love the idea of the Festool Domino jointer, but the $800 price tag for that is too much for me. I have 2 biscuit jointers, a Dewalt and a PC. I actually like using the Dewalt more, but the PC does FF biscuits and every once in a great while I need those. I've never been in a position where I was worried the standard biscuits wouldn't hold. Maybe if I worked w/ 8/4 stock it would be different, but until that day I'll stick w/ the biscuits.

And the Kapex? I still can't fathom paying $1700 for a miter saw when my my Makita works so well. For $1700 that Kapex better butter my bread for me in the morning!

That said, the track saw is fantastic if you do any amount of cabinet work, sheet work, or buy rough sawn lumber. It eliminated the need for me to buy a cabinet saw (I have a pretty small shop); and I use to have all my rough sawn lumber straight edged when I bought it, ever since I got my TS-55 I use that to straight edge all of it. The beauty of that is I always have a perfectly straight board when I use that saw. I'll even say it works better than a straight line rip saw, and also better than a jointer.

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Interesting thread.
Most of the tools are hard to justify unless they are getting a l to of use in a commercial shop.
I think their sanders are enough better to be worth the INVESTMENT in comfort of use and safety of dust and vibration control. I did finally get the 125 sander and a100 box of each grit from 150-400 . I have not regretted the choice. I have already got my value and I use hand planes for most wood surfacing.
Buy the best u can. Avoid the trap of buying cheap and often.
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Right now, I'm with Bob. I think I could justify the sander and vac because they do such an exceptional job of eliminating fine dust from the air. I've already made investments in other tools (drills, routers, circ saw and track...) that all work just fine, so springing for Festool anytime soon wouldn't be on my RADAR.

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The same principle that makes more money for the pro applies to a weekend hobbyist too.

Less set up time, less waste, less hassle. Im NOT making any money on my projects so I dont want to waste a board with a less than perfect cut. I am not retired and this is my HOBBY so I dont want to waste my time with poorly made tools making poor cuts, or try to repeat a setting I rigged up with tape and bailing wire last year but forgot how to do...

I want to walk in the shop after a hard work week and open my systainer and plug in a super precise tool that is easily adjusted and use it in its prescribed manner which is well documented and just makes sense. I probably wont buy the Kapex, or the dovetail jig, but I LOVE the MFT3, the Vac, TS, sanders, jigsaw, Domino, and cordless drills. I am excited about the new router table and saw table.

To the comment about tools gathering dust - my D4 Pro jig does not gather dust, but my cheap dovetail jig does because it has inaccuracies you cant remove - my biscuit jointer gathers dust because the Domino is easier and faster. Sometimes I feel like using hand planes and scrapers, but Im not going to hand rip a board!

All in all, its a personal choice that not everyone has the same opinion on. Leigh vs. Porter Cable. Mac vs. PC. the list goes on. There is nothing wrong with Dewalt, Makita, PC or whatever. I will continue to buy Festool because it just works so very well every time.
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If I had a little more disposable income on the budget, I'd spring for the Festool stuff. The dust collection alone is worth it to me. I'm a hobbyist and yes, I'd love to be able to control that fine dust better.
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If I could sell my Unisaw, PM50 jointer, Red Star ras, CM dp, and Boice Crane planer, for what I paid for them, I would have enough money to buy a Festool TS 75 circular saw. I'd even have $50 left over. But I would only have the TS75!
My point. They are not in my budget. The nice part is all the shop machines I listed, which I bought used, will still be working years down the road. As I hope the Festool would.

For a pro Festool stuff might be a wise choice, but for a hobby woodworker, with limited funds.... not so. With unlimited funds, why not.
A zero clearance cutting guide and a good blade in my circular saw, gives me perfect cuts, when needed.
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I must admit I have never tried any of the Festools but have seen them at my local Woodcraft.
I might buy them if I had the need but I already have large heavy machines that will do the job at least as well if not better.
I do not have the need for more portable tools no matter how superior they may be to my relatively inexpensive Bosch and PC tools.
There is a pleasure in using well made tools, the work just goes better when you aren't fighting the deficiencies of a cheaply made tool.

My brother has made beautiful cabinets with what I consider to be a cheap 1hp table saw and other inexpensive tools.
He knows the idiosyncrasies of each tool and has learned how to work with them so its second nature for him to use them and produce good work.
As my Dad used to say, a good machinist can make anything with the tools at hand.

Isn't America a great place! We have so many choices and tools to pick from but it doesn't limit what kind of work we can produce if we know how to work with them. You buy what you can afford and build your skills.
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