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post #1 of 34 Old 10-28-2012, 09:44 AM Thread Starter
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Saw a FestoolSaw demonstration recently and was very impressed with the way they have gone after dust. Making just about every tool with a port to attach their dust "extraction" hose. When hooked up to the tool the extraction works very well, very little dust in the air. Now the big question, are they worth the money they want? They are super expensive! The salesman told me that in a commercial shop (that I don't have) a Festool a sander will outlast 6 or 8 DeWalts or P.C. Or Bosch sanders. But I could buy about 10 of the other brands to one Festool. I think it is an excellent product but grossly overpriced. I'm just a weekend woodworker I have no use for that kind of equipment for that price. Also I'm 50 yrs old I'm not going to invest in tools that expensive when if need be I'll run down to the local hardware store and purchase another DeWalt sander when my old one dies. What is your opinion on the price of Festool?
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post #2 of 34 Old 10-28-2012, 10:40 AM
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To me, it's like Snap-on tools. I can turn the same bolt, nut, etc with a Craftsman wrench but Snap-on is probably made with better steel, closer tolerances, etc. To me Festool is stupid expensive. I would never buy one.
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+ 1 to the Snap-on, I can see their place in a professional woodworking shop. But for us hobbiest and weekenders, I think it would be more of a measuring contest.

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German engineering has it's advantages. They are expensive because the are built well. The are part of a system. Most tools will work with all the accessories they have. The extractors will work with all the tools. The systainers connect to each other and are nice and stack-able.

I have a few tools, the TS 55 track saw and the OH 1400 router. Bot are used on occasion and both work extremely well. Are they worth the price. Hard to say. They do their job well and when I need them they are now there.

For the hobbyist, probably overkill unless you have an excess of money gathering dust. For the pro, good tools make you money. So once you put out the dollars you soon forget about that and have the tool for a long time.

The one tool that is a good first buy would be the track saw. It has many uses if you are cutting sheet goods and need accuracy and easy cutting.

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Festool are nice stuff but I could never justify the price unless they were making me money and I were selling my stuff. I like good tools and buy the best quality I can afford but festool are way over thetop from my needs. Their miter saw is something like 1300 dollars, you can buy a nice miter saw for 500 bucks that will meet the needs of almost all of us. There is no doubt their tools have nice features but I don't think you can justify the cost unless you are making mony with your tools.

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Worth every single penny. I find it funny that 90% of people can only bitch about the price because they have never bought one or used one.

I bet I have bought 20k+ worth of Festool's over the last 5 years.

The all still work like the day I bought them and have saved me tons of time and made me tons of money.

They are heirloom quality tools, you know those old metal house power tools your grandpa spent his whole pay check just to get a router or saw that is still in perfect usable condition today.
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For the hobbyist, probably overkill unless you have an excess of money gathering dust.

I believe their market share is about split down the middle between hobby guys and pro's, maybe more hobby guys.
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Worth every single penny. I find it funny that 90% of people can only bitch about the price because they have never bought one or used one.

I bet I have bought 20k+ worth of Festool's over the last 5 years.

The all still work like the day I bought them and have saved me tons of time and made me tons of money.

They are heirloom quality tools, you know those old metal house power tools your grandpa spent his whole pay check just to get a router or saw that is still in perfect usable condition today.
A key point. If they aren't making money, they are an expense.

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99.9% of Festool owners would not trade in their used Festools for a new tool from a different manufacturer. I know that I wouldn't, and like WarnerConst I too have a significant investment in Festool products.

In particular, their sanders and Domino system are extraordinary, and their track saw provides glue-line rip quality cuts. I can use their sanders for an hour at a time and my hands don't tingle the way that they do with other manufacturers products. Their dust extraction system coupled with their sanders is so thorough that no dust mask is required. The list goes on and on.

As to whether to purchase them or not, it really comes down to individual preference. If you are a person who truly appreciates an excellent tool - even if you don't use it often - then Festool products may be for you.

On the other hand, if you are not a pro or really don't take joy in the use of an extremely well designed and built tool, then you might want to seek other options.

Unlike some manufacturers that invest more in marketing than R&D, Festool's reputation is well deserved and not just marketing hype.
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A key point. If they aren't making money, they are an expense.

They are an expense no matter what. The difference is that if they make you money, you're getting a return on your investment in monetary terms.

If you use them as a hobbiest, then the return on your investment is the pleasure derived from using a well engineered and manufactured tool.
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I love the best tools also, having said that I have found that I do not always use what I have bought enough to justify the purchase.
For example I found that I can hand sand better, faster and with less expense and dust than any power sander.
I did not believe it myself until I timed the two methods on a couple of items that were identical in size and grain.
I then took the two items to people to judge which had the better feel and look and they all picked the hand sanded items!

I suppose it would be another topic but how about a thread on which tools have you had buyers remorse?
How many Leigh dovetail jigs are under dusty benches or biscuit cutters that are unused?
Not to pick on any particular manufacture but I have bought my share of good quality tools and wish I could sell them for half of what I paid for them.
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A key point. If they aren't making money, they are an expense.
It's only a one time expense that will keep you happy for years if not decades. Save up for what you want and get it.

I paid $500 for the Mirka Ceros sander. Way to much for a sander in my opinion but still worth it. Only hurt for a short while. Now sanding isn't as much of a chore and it is nearly dust free.

Helps my business, saves me time and keeps my lungs free of that fine dust. Pretty nice insurance for a single outlay of $500

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I think it is like the Snap-On thing for mechanics tools. When I was a mechanic I purchased as much Snap-On tools as I could get. Are the expensive? You bet, but I was using them everyday and there is a clear quality difference when you use it everyday, day in and day out for years. I would suppose it is the same way with the Festool stuff. If it were being used everyday to make a living with I would say it makes a difference and be worth the cost. But for those of us who only use our tools occasionally it will never be worth that cost. I would rather buy wood with all that money and use my inferior tools to make some saw dust.
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have saved me tons of time and made me tons of money
That's the name of the game. A pro can probably justify Festool on a cost-benefit basis, but an non-pro probably can't.
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I agree with the Snap-on analogy. Great tool for professionals but hard to justify for weekenders. But if you decide to purchase one you'll have something really nice. As for me I'll stick with my DeWalt, Makita, etc.
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I repaired some machines for a company who made sockets for Snap on, Black Hawk, Craftsman and Husky.
All of the tools came off the same header machines, some went on for more polishing but all were made from the same steel and machinery.
There is a lot of marketing going on.

Any one out there have a Leigh dovetailing jig under their bench gathering dust?
How about a biscuit jointer?
I love my tools and gadgets, I have spent good money buying the best tools i could afford over the years.
I wish I could get my money back on a lot of them!
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While I do not own any festool sanders I have had the opportunity to use a few of them and they are without question the best sander I've ever used. I personally also believe they are worth the money if you are making money with them because they don't cause anywhere near the fatigue or numbness after extended periods of use. Combined with the best in the business dust extraction, I'd wager the reduction of inhaled particulate will result in better health long term.

I currently own a Bosch ROS20VSK and it's a fantastic sander for the sub-$100 range. It's far superior to anything in that price range.
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Every tool they make is better than its everyday counterpart. They are well worth the money if you are making the money to buy them. All you have to do is get one in your hands and you'll know what I mean.
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I was actually logging on today to search about a festool jigsaw
I currently own a ts55 and purchased it about 7 years ago it is still the best tool I have in my van
I am in the need of a jigsaw and i am going to order the eq300 later this week,has any one any info on this jigsaw
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Some buy Festool because they truly appreciate the quality, convenience, versatility, comfort of use etc etc....

Some buy Festool because they can....

Others buy Festool just so they can SAY they have Festool....
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