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And here I thought a woodworking forum would be comprised of folks with more of a handle on their internet egos.

Give it a rest guys.
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have you considered building an airtight cabinet for the sensitive electronics
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I was going to just answer and respond in kind, but why bother to continue bickering with people who clearly have no respect for themselves or this community. It's this sort of toxic BS that leads to forums dying, closed minded people continue to push out everyone with a differing opinion, and I think that many of you in this thread are those exact people, and I think its sad and pathetic that this is likely the high point of your day, to drive someone else away.

Electronics and technology are a huge part of who I am, and I choose to integrate it into my shop because its what I enjoy and I know it will make my hobby more enjoyable for me to combine things I love. I appreciate those comments that actively tried to engage in a discussion in the way and intent it was asked, and I think its sad that a place focused on creativity and making things from your head and heart, is so close-minded to someone that wanted to do things outside of the "norm".

I'm not leaving the community, why give you the satisfaction of feeling you won? No I'll strive to make this place what it was meant to be, a place to share and create together in-spite of differing opinions. So continue to adulate each other with your meme catch phrase vocabulary, I have a feeling the trolls won't last long.

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I'm not leaving the community, why give you the satisfaction of feeling you won?
This isn't a contest.
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Electronics and technology are a huge part of who I am, and I choose to integrate it into my shop because its what I enjoy and I know it will make my hobby more enjoyable for me to combine things I love.
As do I.

So getting back on track here, what are you thinking for enclosing your electronics now?
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Collect as much dust as possible at it's source, right at the tool or machine using a shop vac. Clean the filter regularly, out side and not in the workspace.

Filter the air with a overhead air filtration unit, bought or built. You can build one using a squirrel cage blower in a box with furnace filters on the intake side. Clean the filter regularly, but not in the workspace.

You can run an air exchange blower squirrel cage to keep the air in the workspace cleaner by venting it out a window or opening in the wall like a dryer vent. It will suck all the conditioned air out of the workspace unless there is a vent to allow more air in.

Cover your equipment when not in use.

You will never get it all out of the air.

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The dust encapsulates the processors and the circuit boards causing the cooling fans to be less efficient and those components to overheat, the major enemy, the dust is just the cause.

One idea would be to keep any dust in the air stream moving over the components, not allowing it to settle. A low pressure, low volume fan might be a solution preceded by a small filter. No point in blowing dusty air over the electronics. :frown2:

For the components that do not require visual inspection, they could all be kept in a "clean box" where fresh, filtered air would be drawn through OR blown into it.

I posted just about every possibility I could think of and .... there was no comment on any of them. There was all sorts of bickering all around the question instead.

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I'm up for ending this bickering. Going back to the question and the answer I gave you (was ignored, but I will restate it), just use an airtight cabinet. Then run wires from the inside to the monitor and use a sealant to keep sawdust from where the wires come out (even duct tape works). Hope it helps.

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I do pretty much what woodenthings suggests. I have 3 small two stage air filters. I use a 2hp HF dust collector with a seperator/Wynn filter and a shop vac to collect dust/chips at each tool.

Never had heat or dust related problem with:

PC
20" monitor
24 port switch
Wireless Router
Cable modem
4TB NAS drive
Pioneer receiver
Directv stb
2 backup power supplies
42" tv
Various battery chargers
Gas water heater
High Effeciency furnace
Refrigerator

As some have said, you can not eliminate all the dust in your shop or your house for that matter atleast not as a practical matter.

You could build a positive pressure cabinet using a hepa filtered blower. You have to ask yourself, is it worth the cost for something that may not happen. Maybe more importantly, would it be worth the inconvenience of working out of a cabinet.



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As do I.

So getting back on track here, what are you thinking for enclosing your electronics now?
I typed up a reply to this like 4 times right after it was asked and when I was almost done each time the reply screen would randomly refresh and lose my reply, then I just gave up.

I have a full sheet of 3/4 MDF that I'll use for the build and use calking to seal up the inside seams to prevent air leaks. I'll probably just build a basic 'box' with the intake fan on the bottom behind an air filter to push air up from the bottom and another filter on top to prevent dust from coming in from the top to allow the heat to escape as easily as possible without building up.

The shelves will likely have 1/4 in holes drilled/routed into them to allow air to pass up and through them to prevent heat buildup. Still not sure about the front lid, not sure how I'll secure it to be air tight while still being able to use the receiver remote, I might see if I have an IR receiver wire laying around and I might use that instead of having to jack with Plexiglass (which is a horrible looking dust magnet).

Some of my top items to consider/worry about:
1. Making sure the box has enough room to allow for proper airflow
2. Finding a filter that will both filter out the particles I want and still allow for proper air flow
3. Making sure the fan I'm going to use will push/pull enough air through the enclosure.

The biggest unknown as of yet is what type of PC I'll be using.

1. The Raspberry Pi 2/3 are the one I'm hoping to be able to use, it lacks power but its a super small form factor, low power consumption make is a perfect shop PC. But Linux has no SketchUp viewer and the few that I've seen for Wine require too much power and the Pi can't run it, I even tried the SketchUp Cloud based browser viewer, no luck there either. I am running some tests with VNC viewer/server to my primary PC in the house, looks like it works but since its technically a remote desktop the mouse/keyboard commands might not work very well to use in SketchUp, but testing is in progress now.

2. I have enough spare parts to build a low to moderate PC. But building a box to house a mid-tower box is more material and effort than I am willing to do, and I think my current fan would not be enough to counteract the fans inside the PC case and might mess up my airflow. And in the end it still might not be power enough to use SketchUp, or might run it barely and be a hassle.

3. 4 Year old Gaming Laptop - This would have plenty of power to run any programs I would need in the shop but its a power hog, battery is dead (but can still use it plugged in), and it gets far hotter than the other two combined which again has be question my concept in terms of being able to remove enough heat to keep things from getting too hot.

So as you can see those choices could have a big impact on the build itself, once I decide on this then I'll get in SketchUp and start mocking up some ideas.

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I do pretty much what woodenthings suggests. I have 3 small two stage air filters. I use a 2hp HF dust collector with a seperator/Wynn filter and a shop vac to collect dust/chips at each tool.

Never had heat or dust related problem with:

PC
20" monitor
24 port switch
Wireless Router
Cable modem
4TB NAS drive
Pioneer receiver
Directv stb
2 backup power supplies
42" tv
Various battery chargers
Gas water heater
High Effeciency furnace
Refrigerator

As some have said, you can not eliminate all the dust in your shop or your house for that matter atleast not as a practical matter.

You could build a positive pressure cabinet using a hepa filtered blower. You have to ask yourself, is it worth the cost for something that may not happen. Maybe more importantly, would it be worth the inconvenience of working out of a cabinet.
Do you have all those items in your shop space? I would definitely be concerned for the Water Heater and Furnace as they have open flames and could push contaminants into your ducting or other areas of your house. When I invest in my table saw I will then invest in the 2HP HF DC and upgrade it with a separator and Wynn or similar filter, which I'm sure will reduce the overall dust in the shop, but MDF, sanding, etc all cause the fine dust that likes to float around get get into lungs that is my biggest concern for myself and my electronics.

I also stated several times that I fully understand and have zero expectation of being able to filter out all dust, but I think getting 95% or more of the remaining airborne dust filtered prior to hitting my electronics is a pretty realistic goal, which should easily still be less dust than it would see in a standard home theater/living room setup.

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Do NOT forget the overhead air filtration

My Jet AFS 1000 doesn't get used all that much, but it's filer gets really dusty in spite of the infrequent usage. It has a 2 stage filter and the first stage gets filthy. You don't realize just how much dust is airborne in the shop unless you wait until dark, then shine a flash light across the shop and observe the dust particles reflecting the light... amazing!

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My Jet AFS 1000 doesn't get used all that much, but it's fitle gets really dusty in spite of the infrequent usage. It has a 2 stage filter and the first stage gets filthy. You don't realize just how much dust is airborne in the shop unless you wait until dark, then shine a flash light across the shop and observe the dust particles reflecting the light... amazing!
A future project I want to buy/build will be a shop air filtration system. I like the one Jay Bates built but my current limited space would not allow me to do that. I was thinking about picking up the Wen air filtration system but in the next few years I might just build me a shop out back so I'll wait a bit longer on that project until I know what space I'll be operating in.

I wish I knew where people picked up these blowers they use in these DIY projects.


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try Heating and Cooling repair

Some furnace heat exchangers fail before the blowers so they replace the entire furnace regardless. Talk your way into the shop and see the foreman OR hail one of the H&C trucks you see driving around and talk to the repairman directly. That's how I got one through a H&C repairman. :smile3:

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How about a small duct from the outside or from a clean space, draw air in and "pressurize" the enclosure. Wouldn't take a very large fan. You could filter the incoming air and have very little cleaning issues with the filter, use a HEPA furnace filter. We use muffin fans on our enclosures, cheap and last along time. Small PCs and LED displays. Keyboard & optical mouse don't need protection.
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How about a small duct from the outside or from a clean space, draw air in and "pressurize" the enclosure. Wouldn't take a very large fan. You could filter the incoming air and have very little cleaning issues with the filter, use a HEPA furnace filter. We use muffin fans on our enclosures, cheap and last along time. Small PCs and LED displays. Keyboard & optical mouse don't need protection.
That's not really an option for me, as my shop is in my garage it would be against code to have a duct from the garage into a living space. Yes there is nothing stopping me from doing it, but it is a safety related code with carbon monoxide etc and my sons room is nearby where that hole would have to be located. And outside air is no good as I'm in the Midwest so we get cold winters, very hot and very humid summers, and my garage has no heating/cooling so it would likely make the shop unbearable to work in.

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I typed up a reply to this like 4 times right after it was asked and when I was almost done each time the reply screen would randomly refresh and lose my reply, then I just gave up.

I have a full sheet of 3/4 MDF that I'll use for the build and use calking to seal up the inside seams to prevent air leaks. I'll probably just build a basic 'box' with the intake fan on the bottom behind an air filter to push air up from the bottom and another filter on top to prevent dust from coming in from the top to allow the heat to escape as easily as possible without building up.

The shelves will likely have 1/4 in holes drilled/routed into them to allow air to pass up and through them to prevent heat buildup. Still not sure about the front lid, not sure how I'll secure it to be air tight while still being able to use the receiver remote, I might see if I have an IR receiver wire laying around and I might use that instead of having to jack with Plexiglass (which is a horrible looking dust magnet).

Some of my top items to consider/worry about:
1. Making sure the box has enough room to allow for proper airflow
2. Finding a filter that will both filter out the particles I want and still allow for proper air flow
3. Making sure the fan I'm going to use will push/pull enough air through the enclosure.

The biggest unknown as of yet is what type of PC I'll be using.

1. The Raspberry Pi 2/3 are the one I'm hoping to be able to use, it lacks power but its a super small form factor, low power consumption make is a perfect shop PC. But Linux has no SketchUp viewer and the few that I've seen for Wine require too much power and the Pi can't run it, I even tried the SketchUp Cloud based browser viewer, no luck there either. I am running some tests with VNC viewer/server to my primary PC in the house, looks like it works but since its technically a remote desktop the mouse/keyboard commands might not work very well to use in SketchUp, but testing is in progress now.

2. I have enough spare parts to build a low to moderate PC. But building a box to house a mid-tower box is more material and effort than I am willing to do, and I think my current fan would not be enough to counteract the fans inside the PC case and might mess up my airflow. And in the end it still might not be power enough to use SketchUp, or might run it barely and be a hassle.

3. 4 Year old Gaming Laptop - This would have plenty of power to run any programs I would need in the shop but its a power hog, battery is dead (but can still use it plugged in), and it gets far hotter than the other two combined which again has be question my concept in terms of being able to remove enough heat to keep things from getting too hot.

So as you can see those choices could have a big impact on the build itself, once I decide on this then I'll get in SketchUp and start mocking up some ideas.



Do you have all those items in your shop space? I would definitely be concerned for the Water Heater and Furnace as they have open flames and could push contaminants into your ducting or other areas of your house. When I invest in my table saw I will then invest in the 2HP HF DC and upgrade it with a separator and Wynn or similar filter, which I'm sure will reduce the overall dust in the shop, but MDF, sanding, etc all cause the fine dust that likes to float around get get into lungs that is my biggest concern for myself and my electronics.

I also stated several times that I fully understand and have zero expectation of being able to filter out all dust, but I think getting 95% or more of the remaining airborne dust filtered prior to hitting my electronics is a pretty realistic goal, which should easily still be less dust than it would see in a standard home theater/living room setup.
I do have all that in my shop and a few things I forgot to mention. I am not concerned, our family business growing up was plumbing/heating, the good old days when A/C wasn't a necessity so I have a pretty good feel for the safety and durability aspect of the water heater and furnace. In addition, I have pretty good dust control in my shop where even moderate dust control would not likely cause any problems. The systems you referred to are designed to be far more tolerant of dust than what you will find in my shop or most home shops.

Others have criticized you for your want of essentially a clean room or clean cabinet. While I don't believe you need it, or it is worth the cost vs risk of destroying the electronics my thought is it can't hurt and should be a learning experience just making it happen. Honestly it sounds more like a hobby for you and we all need hobbies to us sane.

One thing I will suggest for the cabinet you proposed is to go with wire shelving or design a pattern that gives you at least 50% void area from the air to circulate through. 1/4" holes in 1/2" or 3/4" wood will not allow much circulation unless you get them pretty close together. Probably more important in a shop full of motors, vibrating sanders, contact switches and cheap vac motors is to create a faraday cage by wrapping the cabinet in an appropriate metal screen. Your equipment is likely in more danger from electromagnetic energy and surges from the shop equipment than dust.

Good luck and remember most important is have fun and learn something from what you are doing.

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wow. rough crowd this week

i have to have my music in the shop, really loud rock and roll preferred
my stereo is in a cabinet to keep dust out, only to find out that opening the doors was required for heat
i cut a couple of 2'' holes in the side and have a 4'' 120v pancake fan pulling air in thru a filter
the pancake fan plugs into the power port on back of the stereo and the fan is on when the stereo is on
i also have wifi in my shop, using a yagi router that gets it from the house 100 yds away

four 70s era speakers in my shop this size

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you can find them cheaper, similar to what i used
https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-A...ity+HS1238A-X.

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