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post #21 of 36 Old 08-18-2015, 12:20 PM
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I got the soft close G-SLIDE series from CSH as well - big fan of those.
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Thanks for the ongoing feedback guys, really appreciate the great advice/insight. You can't beat experience, thank god for the internet.

Glad to hear the positive view of the Liberty slides, NickDIY, that's about what I expected... or rather hoped. It's kind of like playing poker when you order Amazon gear. You hedge your bets, but its all a game of calculated risks. :)

Two votes for the CSH slides... I have to say, those slides look pretty nice, I especially like the fact that they look like they have more metal around the mechanism than the Liberty slides. Would be great to see the gauge of the metal in comparison, hard to say from a photo. Do they feel solid? What's the performance like over time... still smooth? While I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face, ~$10 a pair is a damn nice price for soft close.

**quick update, are those KV slides? Same model number... can't tell if they're trying to "fake it" with the same model number or it's actually a KV slide. KV soft close slides for $10.62 per 10 pack seems pretty great**

I have some time tomorrow late, so I'll probably start routing out the dadoes and try and finish all my cuts. Freehanding dadoes on both ends of 20 boards with a 1/8" blade, truly a fun evening. :-)

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Thanks for the ongoing feedback guys, really appreciate the great advice/insight. You can't beat experience, thank god for the internet.

Glad to hear the positive view of the Liberty slides, NickDIY, that's about what I expected... or rather hoped. It's kind of like playing poker when you order Amazon gear. You hedge your bets, but its all a game of calculated risks. :)

Two votes for the CSH slides... I have to say, those slides look pretty nice, I especially like the fact that they look like they have more metal around the mechanism than the Liberty slides. Would be great to see the gauge of the metal in comparison, hard to say from a photo. Do they feel solid? What's the performance like over time... still smooth? While I don't want to cut off my nose to spite my face, ~$10 a pair is a damn nice price for soft close.

**quick update, are those KV slides? Same model number... can't tell if they're trying to "fake it" with the same model number or it's actually a KV slide. KV soft close slides for $10.62 per 10 pack seems pretty great**

I have some time tomorrow late, so I'll probably start routing out the dadoes and try and finish all my cuts. Freehanding dadoes on both ends of 20 boards with a 1/8" blade, truly a fun evening. :-)

Best,
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I have only installed two sets of the CSH slides so far (the soft close 100lb ones) - they are holding up very well, still open/close smoothly. I overbought for my cabinets so I used them to build a tool cabinet, and threw them on the ends of two 38 inch wide 24 inch deep drawers. I then filled them with power tools, mechanical tools (pipe wrenches, socket sets) and generally just overloaded them. Smooth as silk.

Nothing like full-extension 100lb rated drawer slides loaded to max capacity I say
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In my corner base cabinets, I used 28 inch long slides from CSH. They are working just fine, as are all of the others in our kitchen and our buffet.

Note that I used the rear bracket for each slide. That made adjustments easy.
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I'm a little more of a contemporary/modern guy, but that's some nice cabinet work, and those slides look really beefy. I can't tell if the 28" slides are just enormous (to handle the additional load) or if the little lady in the one picture just makes them look big. :)

The comment about wall anchoring them is interesting, can you tell me a little more? Do the slides require wall anchors and did, if so, did they come with them or did you buy them separately? I'd like to wall anchor, but some of my walls are painfully untrue... one wall falls away as much as 3/4" near the bottom. :( maybe I can beef them up to give me what I need in those spots.

Here's an important question for someone with experience installing the slides. My depths from the front of the face are 16 5/8" on one cabinet, 16 1/2 to 16 7/8 on the second. That means I have a minimum of 15.75" depth to the back of the false front. Should I buy a 400mm slide (15.748) or a 350mm slide (13.7795)? The CSH website says the 350mm slide is "14in", which is weird to me... is there "extra" material not counted in the Gslide mm measurement?

Basically if I go with the 400mm it "should" fit and I can wall anchor it, but there's no room for error. If I go with 350mm I've got lots more room, but I'll have less extension on the slide and I won't be able to wall mount it.

Thanks in advance for the additional help/insight, this thread has helped tremendously.

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I'm a little more of a contemporary/modern guy, but that's some nice cabinet work, and those slides look really beefy. I can't tell if the 28" slides are just enormous (to handle the additional load) or if the little lady in the one picture just makes them look big. :)

The comment about wall anchoring them is interesting, can you tell me a little more? Do the slides require wall anchors and did, if so, did they come with them or did you buy them separately? I'd like to wall anchor, but some of my walls are painfully untrue... one wall falls away as much as 3/4" near the bottom. :( maybe I can beef them up to give me what I need in those spots.

Here's an important question for someone with experience installing the slides. My depths from the front of the face are 16 5/8" on one cabinet, 16 1/2 to 16 7/8 on the second. That means I have a minimum of 15.75" depth to the back of the false front. Should I buy a 400mm slide (15.748) or a 350mm slide (13.7795)? The CSH website says the 350mm slide is "14in", which is weird to me... is there "extra" material not counted in the Gslide mm measurement?

Basically if I go with the 400mm it "should" fit and I can wall anchor it, but there's no room for error. If I go with 350mm I've got lots more room, but I'll have less extension on the slide and I won't be able to wall mount it.

Thanks in advance for the additional help/insight, this thread has helped tremendously.

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Looks like you will need the 14 inchers.

For standard base cabinets, the standard slides are 22 inches long the 28 inchers give an extra 6 inches of travel for the diagonal corner cabinet drawers.

They are well built. We have not had any problems with these slides.

The rear bracket is extra, as are the screws. When you order the slides you get a pair good for one drawer.

22 inch full ext ball brg drawer slide
http://www.cshardware.com/39-1140-22.html

Back socket (sold as pair) Note this bracket needs to anchored into 3/4 inch plywood or whatever you have available to add for support.
http://www.cshardware.com/39-1170.html

Truss screw (for face frame installation)
http://www.cshardware.com/0-tpc08058z17.html

Screw for drawer slide mounting
http://www.cshardware.com/0-fpc08012z.html
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Very cool, thanks for the detailed insight and part links!

One question I have is that you didn't include a link to the face frame bracket. Did you use it? From the install videos I've watched it looks like you have to since the slide kind of pops into the holder... or can you alternatively just screw the slide into the face frame?

My face frames are actually flush with the cabinet (same plane), so I'm a little concerned that the face frame may be problematic... the videos seem to show it has a small bend where it dips in at the back. I'm worried I'll need to shim the front or something.

Also, do you know the clearance on these slides? I'm building my boxes with an assumption of 1/2" for the slides on each side, but from an install video I watched it looked like the guy measured out 5/8" per side...?

Thanks again for all the help, really appreciate it.

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Very cool, thanks for the detailed insight and part links!

One question I have is that you didn't include a link to the face frame bracket. Did you use it? From the install videos I've watched it looks like you have to since the slide kind of pops into the holder... or can you alternatively just screw the slide into the face frame?

My face frames are actually flush with the cabinet (same plane), so I'm a little concerned that the face frame may be problematic... the videos seem to show it has a small bend where it dips in at the back. I'm worried I'll need to shim the front or something.

Also, do you know the clearance on these slides? I'm building my boxes with an assumption of 1/2" for the slides on each side, but from an install video I watched it looked like the guy measured out 5/8" per side...?

Thanks again for all the help, really appreciate it.

Best,
Rick

You can likely get away with using the 15" slides, They will screw right to the sides of your cabinet boxes, and 1/2" is what you subtract per side for your boxes.

Assuming your cab box and drawer boxes are fairly square...

You don't need any of the extra junk for mounting to the back.
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Very cool, thanks for the detailed insight and part links!

One question I have is that you didn't include a link to the face frame bracket. Did you use it? From the install videos I've watched it looks like you have to since the slide kind of pops into the holder... or can you alternatively just screw the slide into the face frame?

My face frames are actually flush with the cabinet (same plane), so I'm a little concerned that the face frame may be problematic... the videos seem to show it has a small bend where it dips in at the back. I'm worried I'll need to shim the front or something.

Also, do you know the clearance on these slides? I'm building my boxes with an assumption of 1/2" for the slides on each side, but from an install video I watched it looked like the guy measured out 5/8" per side...?

Thanks again for all the help, really appreciate it.

Best,
Rick

When I do inset drawers I mount the slides directly to blocking that I install on the sides of the cabinet. Make the blocking from some type of hardwood. I usually make it the width of the slide so it's as unobtrusive as possible.
You'd have to do the math to figure out the thickness of the blocking you'll need, relative to the distance from the edge of the stile to the surface of the cabinet interior (or partition, whatever the case may be). Hope that helps

Also, I prefer to use Accuride full extension ball bearing slides when selecting a side-mounted drawer slide. I have never had a problem with them. The company I work for does commercial casework, and we've actually removed & replaced some of our own 20 year old cabinets when banks/offices decide to remodel. Even after that long in a commercial setting, the slides still function smoothly.
For concealed under mount slides, I like Hettich.
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Unfortunately blocking isn't an option for me... as I mentioned in an earlier reply, the face is even with the cabinet, and my drawers are built to maximize the available width (only space for the 1" I'll need for the slides).

I actually got the slides today from CSH... ordered the 400mm soft slides after speaking with a guy there who guaranteed me they were exactly 400mm (I have exactly 15.75" for the slides). While they definitely look great and feel solid, UNFORTUNATELY... the slides are actually about 3/32... niiiiice. Maybe this will help someone else in the future... I'm guessing all their slides are oversized like this, maybe they fail to account for the plastic or something.

Thankfully I only have about two drawers where it's a real problem. The closet falls away about an inch in my sons room (it's crazy, scribing the built-in to fit was excrutiating), and the top two cabinets are +1/16. I can scrape away some of the drywall to give those slides a groove to sit in.

On that note, just finished assembling all the drawers... rabbets/dados didn't come out perfect, but a solid job given I did it all on a ryobi table saw. I can say my next set of drawers will be awesome... Just some final sanding, poly, more sanding, and then I can start installing!

Thanks again to everybody for all the advice and insight, really great and appreciated.

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Sorry, that should have read "3/32 long"... clarifying for posterity. I had a feeling they might run long, annoying to be vindicated.

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Sorry, that should have read "3/32 long"... clarifying for posterity. I had a feeling they might run long, annoying to be vindicated.

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You went with inset drawer fronts or something?

Either way, If all you need to deal with is 3/32 extra - You can either sand / grind that off the back of the hardware or you can chisel a small pocket for the back of the guide into your cabinet back.

Should not take more than a few minutes no matter what you do.
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Sorry, that should have read "3/32 long"... clarifying for posterity. I had a feeling they might run long, annoying to be vindicated.

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Haha, no, I didn't. I wanted longer slides so I hanged my hopes on the second reply that seemed to be more optimistic about the 400mm! :)

Next time you need to include the actual data to so I know you're talking hard numbers... Hey, at least I only have to shave down the wall four times. :))

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Are these the screws you use for your slides? These hold well in 3/4 ply sides?
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Are these the screws you use for your slides? These hold well in 3/4 ply sides?
I think they are also available in 5/8 inch length. Should work OK.
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