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Carpenters square not square

I suspected that my square wasn't square so I checked it and sure enough, it's a little out. Maybe 1/16 at the end of the 24" leg. I have read that to fix a square, you use a center punch in the crook, either on the outside or inside and it will drive the legs either together or apart depending on where you punch it. This is an aluminum square so I figured "this should be easy". Yeah right. There is NO WAY that this method works. It won't even budge and I've hit it a dozen times...HARD ! Any other ideas besides getting a new square?

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A square like that can be very useful. What you need to do is drill a hole in the corner of it and when you need to put a rope over a rafter thread the rope through the hole and use the square to throw the rope over. It's not worth it to use if for a square anymore. You need a new one.
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There is a little bit about it here. I don't use aluminum squares, but I have fixed steel ones that were only slightly out.




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Since the punch isn't helping except to add frustration try this method recommended for steel.

Copied from "Handy Farm Devices - cobleigh-chapter 2



If the square is found to be out or inaccurate, it is not necessary to throw it away; it can be made true by a simple method by any handy mechanic. If you do not possess an anvil, make a substitute by sticking the ax into a chopping block, lay the square on the head of the ax so that the bearing will come from the throat or inside angle to the heel or outside of the square. To close up the angle, strike with a hammer a sharp blow at a point near the heel; to open the angle, strike near the throat at a point indicated in Figure 7. Don't strike too hard. Use a bell-face nail hammer and the dent will not be noticed.
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An alternate if the centre punch method does not work.

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...=1,42936,42944

You may feel this is more than the square is worth. I bought one since I wanted an easier reference edge in addition to being able to calibrate the square.
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The technique of punching the corners of a square was a bit more effective when framing squares had a tapered thickness. The old squares were twice as thick at the corner than at the ends of the legs. Translating old methods to the modern, even thickness squares doesn't work as well.
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I suspected that my square wasn't square so I checked it and sure enough, it's a little out. Maybe 1/16 at the end of the 24" leg. I have read that to fix a square, you use a center punch in the crook, either on the outside or inside and it will drive the legs either together or apart depending on where you punch it. This is an aluminum square so I figured "this should be easy". Yeah right. There is NO WAY that this method works. It won't even budge and I've hit it a dozen times...HARD ! Any other ideas besides getting a new square?
When you reference off the long leg is the short leg "In" from 90 degrees or out on the inside only or both? Reason I ask is it may just be one of the surfaces is whacky, not both. You could take a mill file to the side that's out and file it back to 90 degrees.

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)
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