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"The Box" urban legend?

Some years a go I had heard a story of a woodcarver who had carved a very intricate box of world class quality. As the story goes it won nearly every contest that he entered into. It was so admired by other carvers and won so many times that it was simply referred to as "The Box". I was trying to pull up a pic of it but now I am wondering if it just wasn't an urban legend. Has anybody else heard this story or know anything about it?
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I never heard that story Rory. That rhymes.

My memory is not so good either so I'll toss one back at you. I believe this story was in one of the bio's of the woodworkers in my library so could be Krenov, Maloof, Nakashima, Klausz, Nyquist etc. I don;t remember but here's the story . . .

In the article or book whatever, the woodworker was saying that a true master woodworker could hardly develop his skills to the level needed unless he studied under another master and began in his very early years, like single digits. Mid teens was too late. The first order of business was to take a cube of wood, and learn to fashion a perfect orb from it by hand. No other task could be given to the apprentice until he first mastered this, and if he could not then he should not pursue this craft.

Like you, I am not certain I read this in a novel/biography or if it's also a myth, but I'd like to know. Seems pretty harsh to me. I'm sure there are prodigies who've bloomed late . . . I'm hoping to be one some day.
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Perfect orb from a block of wood huh? Sounds like a challenge. Wheres my pocket knife? -Rory-

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Can you imagine pursuing one single profession to the exclusion of all else as was done in the days of having a trade? I can't see that working in todays world of rapidly changing economy, professions, and ideas. I was once referred to by a fellow worker as a "Jack of all trades, and master of none". It suits me to a Tee, as I have many varied interests and it is likely I will never master anything. If I get pretty damn good at some of them I am quite happy.

Just out of curiosity I tried Googling "the box", and didn't find "the box"

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Can you imagine pursuing one single profession to the exclusion of all else as was done in the days of having a trade? I can't see that working in todays world of rapidly changing economy, professions, and ideas. I was once referred to by a fellow worker as a "Jack of all trades, and master of none". It suits me to a Tee, as I have many varied interests and it is likely I will never master anything. If I get pretty damn good at some of them I am quite happy.

Just out of curiosity I tried Googling "the box", and didn't find "the box"

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This idea is preserved to a degree in Japan. There are long-lived masters of certain arts and are considered national treasures. Could be a martial art, calligraphy, pottery, woodworking (that's probably why the Japanese have some of the most sophisticated jointery), etc.
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Can you imagine pursuing one single profession to the exclusion of all else as was done in the days of having a trade? I can't see that working in todays world of rapidly changing economy, professions, and ideas. I was once referred to by a fellow worker as a "Jack of all trades, and master of none". It suits me to a Tee, as I have many varied interests and it is likely I will never master anything. If I get pretty damn good at some of them I am quite happy.

Just out of curiosity I tried Googling "the box", and didn't find "the box"

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You still see that in Europe,there you will find lots of people that pursue a trade to become a "master" at it and that is all they do until the day they die.

America is great because you can do anything at anytime BUT there are few that attain the knowledge /skill to be called a master.

People like Nakashima and Maloof come to mind for us woodworkers that were true masters.

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I was once referred to by a fellow worker as a "Jack of all trades, and master of none". It suits me to a Tee, as I have many varied interests and it is likely I will never master anything. If I get pretty damn good at some of them I am quite happy.
..or perhaps you have merely "mastered" balance. there are many people that might be considered masters of some activity whos lives are totally unmanagable.
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I've found that I don't consider myself a master of anything but people who don't know about a particular subject consider me a master of a lot of things. It's all relative, I think. I'm a "jack of all trades" type of person and one of my biggest "hero"es is Leonardo Da Vinci simply because he was like that. I'm good at a lot of things, (I'm no Da Vinci) good enough that a lot of people think I'm very good at a lot of things, but the concept of a true master has never been very prolific. They're called masters for a reason, and very few in any culture or any trade were really so talented that they would be considered a "true master" by other "masters". By definition "master" simply means someone who has apprentices so if any of us teach others some skill or trade then we are "masters" no matter what our actual skill level. Michaelangelo's teacher was certainly a "master" but he'll never be regarded the same as his apprentice who is considered a "true master".

It's all relative. I like mics' idea that mastering balance is just as much being a master as mastering any particular skill or trade.
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I got mastered baiting my hooks when I go fishing. What would call that for a skill???

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I got mastered baiting my hooks when I go fishing. What would call that for a skill???

Well, ya can't beat that!
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