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Just glue & screw. C- man is just making it confusing for you

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So I should use glue in addition to the screws?

I think I'm going to go ahead and buy the "Kreg Mini Pocket-Hole Jig" tomorrow and try the pocket hole method. Hopefully it will be strong enough to keep the desk (which will have quite a bit of weight on it) from falling apart!
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So I should use glue in addition to the screws?

I think I'm going to go ahead and buy the "Kreg Mini Pocket-Hole Jig" tomorrow and try the pocket hole method. Hopefully it will be strong enough to keep the desk (which will have quite a bit of weight on it) from falling apart!
Yes...glue/clamps, and screws. I wouldn't use pocket screws. IMO, that type of joinery would benefit from a straight line form of fastening (perpendicular).








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So I should use glue in addition to the screws?

I think I'm going to go ahead and buy the "Kreg Mini Pocket-Hole Jig" tomorrow and try the pocket hole method. Hopefully it will be strong enough to keep the desk (which will have quite a bit of weight on it) from falling apart!
Yes glue it & screw it together. If you want the pocket hole jig by kreg than get it.but you don't need it. I don't use pocket holes Good luck on your desk. And have fun with it. Remember this is a learning curve.

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I've never made a desk before, so this may be a very poor design, but this is what I've come up with:






I would welcome constructive criticism!
Not criticism but I don't think you need those center cross pieces on the top or at the bottom. Whatever tabletop you use will be well supported without the center piece. Also that cross piece at the bottom might interfere with your legs when you scootch up to the desk. If you use 3/4 for the bottom shelf it should be fine unless you plan on putting something really heavy on it.

And although I know it goes against the grain of many here, I still think that pocket screws are a perfect application for this desk. Unless I'm misunderstanding what others are saying (and it wouldn't be the first time!), running long screws perpendicular through the legs is going to leave screw holes exposed. Not the end of the world in the back where it may be up against a wall, but in front it's going to look like sh!t. I suppose you could plug the holes and sand them flush. Then depending on how you intend to finish the piece, you'll have round plugs showing because they'll stain differently since they're end grain. Paint would mask that. But I'll say it again, given the criteria you gave us (cheap and easy), and the fact you are building a desk, not a workbench in some foundry, I still say pocket screws and glue would be fine here. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't even own a Kreg jig.
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Not criticism but I don't think you need those center cross pieces on the top or at the bottom. Whatever tabletop you use will be well supported without the center piece. Also that cross piece at the bottom might interfere with your legs when you scootch up to the desk. If you use 3/4 for the bottom shelf it should be fine unless you plan on putting something really heavy on it.
I was thinking about using 5/8" MDF, since it's about $13 cheaper than the 3/4" MDF. Is that OK, or should I go with the thicker sheet?
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Now you want mdf ? Do you know what you really want or are you just messing with us?

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I think he's thinking of using mdf for the lower shelf and the top. If that's the case use 3/4. I assume you're going to paint it?
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Bringing two rails into a corner post is a common joinery problem. I most often solve it by tenons on the end of the rails into half blind mortises. Then I use the corner blocks to draw everything tight together and lock into place. It's very strong.

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Bret your gonna kill this kid I think this way past his experience level. Great description though.

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Bret your gonna kill this kid I think this way past his experience level. Great description though.
I'm still scratchin my head on to to make these corner blocks .... safely, nothing is flat or what is flat is nothing compared to all the 45's on the rest. sheeesh. I do need to figure it out because it's a great way to make the joint. bill
I'm thinkin' there's a bandsaw involved...


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if you dont want to go pocket holes here is another option for ya. easy and cheap.

http://eberhardt.bz/GME_Wood_Land/GM...Bolt_Joint.pdf

as far as the top goes. why not pick up a piece of baltic birch. you can get half sheets and quarter sheets. It will hold up a lot longer than the MDF!

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He's just a show off. Lol

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I think he should know the right way to do it.

I have lots of photos from my shop, seems a waste to keep them all to myself. I admit, I am a bit of a show off.

The easiest way to make the joint in question would be to hot glue the butt joints. That'll hold just fine until you go to move it.

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Now you want mdf ? Do you know what you really want or are you just messing with us?
I thought I had mentioned I was planning on using MDF for the shelves. Maybe I didn't. However, I did post pictures of my design in a previous post:

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Will four pocket hole screws be enough to hold the corner of the desk together?

I've never made a desk before, so this may be a very poor design, but this is what I've come up with:







The main thing is that it needs to be really cheap to make. It's also a standing desk, in case you might not have noticed :) I would welcome constructive criticism!
I also posted another thread asking the best way to seal and paint MDF..

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Bringing two rails into a corner post is a common joinery problem. I most often solve it by tenons on the end of the rails into half blind mortises. Then I use the corner blocks to draw everything tight together and lock into place. It's very strong.

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Bret, that's beautiful! Waaaay past my skill level, though

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if you dont want to go pocket holes here is another option for ya. easy and cheap.

http://eberhardt.bz/GME_Wood_Land/GM...Bolt_Joint.pdf
That looks interesting, but I'm not sure I could do it.. If pocket screws are as strong or stronger than screwing through the ends of the wood (which is what I was originally planning on doing), then I think I'll just go with them.
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Every suggestion given has been good but they all require either special tools or techniques to accomplish.

Allow me to suggest that seeing as how you are using 2x4 construction lumber, that you continue on that theme and get yourself some metal corner brackets and some deck screws from one of the box stores (Lowes, Home Depot). The brackets are cheap and come pre-drilled in several different configurations for house construction. A box of screws will last through this project and several others. Be sure you add some stiffeners so it doesn't wobble around when you're using it.

The first desk I ever made was nothing more than 2x2's and a plywood top held together with metal brackets.

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That looks interesting, but I'm not sure I could do it.. If pocket screws are as strong or stronger than screwing through the ends of the wood (which is what I was originally planning on doing), then I think I'll just go with them.
ok, even easier here are these. Drill two holes and your in business. and you can tighten them if loose, and take apart if needed.


I think pocket holes should only be used on face frames.
The glued pocket screw joint will pop soon after there is a load on it and the desk gets bumped.

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Every suggestion given has been good but they all require either special tools or techniques to accomplish.
Read post #18. That joinery is simple rabbets. It can be done with just a hand saw if necessary.







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