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$3,000 hand planes?? really??

I was trolling around the net and i came across a woodworker that does everything by hand, hand planes, hand saws etc, he had about 8 different hand planes/jointers all custom made by that company over in europe that are about $2-$3,000 each.... I understand wanting to work with your hands etc and doing things like the "olden days" but when you spend $20,000 on hand planes and it takes you 3 years to build a shelf, whats the point? For the money he spent on those hand planes alone i could have every woodworking tool i would ever need and whip out furniture faster than i could bring in the lumber....and have the same degree of detail and accuracy....
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I was trolling around the net and i came across a woodworker that does everything by hand, hand planes, hand saws etc, he had about 8 different hand planes/jointers all custom made by that company over in europe that are about $2-$3,000 each.... I understand wanting to work with your hands etc and doing things like the "olden days" but when you spend $20,000 on hand planes and it takes you 3 years to build a shelf, whats the point? For the money he spent on those hand planes alone i could have every woodworking tool i would ever need and whip out furniture faster than i could bring in the lumber....and have the same degree of detail and accuracy....
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I know someone that collects hand planes. He has one going back to the middle of the 19th century. I had the privilege to try it out on some mahogany. He claims that it is worth about $18K.

Personally I think that the Veritas works better for a lot less money.

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It takes all kinds, some people are collectors, some are woodworkers and some have more money than they know what to do with. I'm with you JJ, if I had that money to spend I wouldn't buy a $3000 hand plane.

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Well, maybe it was made of some ultra rare metal for Norma Abrams? lol
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I was reading a review that Schwarz did on a hand plane in PWW a year or so ago. It was a Holtey infill plane. Those sell for over $9K (US). I guess the Brits really love their planes.

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While searching for something I came across the site http://www.thebestthings.com

I navigated to the various pages and found the Plane list.

Karl Hotley smoothing plane is $7,4000.

http://thebestthings.com/newtools/ka...tey_planes.htm

I have seen other hand planes which were in the $2,000 - $3,000 range, but forget the brand.

If someone can afford to pay the price of the workmanship involved, good for them. I can appreciate the quality and workmanship, but too rich for my budget though.
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I highly doubt the guy cares about how long anything takes. I am starting at woodworking and quite frankly just enjoy being in my garage working on something and watching Star Trek. I have done two projects in the last three weeks which honestly could have been done in a day. But I am enjoying the experience of using power tools and hand tools.

Yesterday I did my first successful M&T joint with out any power tools. Fit like a glove
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Tomato, Tomaato.....

Holtey, Anderson, Sauer & Steiner, all high end hand plane makers. Unfortunately all way too rich for my budget as well. But I think Christopher Schwarz said it best. (not an exact quote) " Buy only a few tools, But buy top quality tools".

If you have seen the episode of The Wood Wrights Shop the one where Chris and Roy go through Chris' tool box you will see his Infill smoother plane. I think its a Daede . Also his sliding bevel gauge is made by an Australian gentleman named Chris Vesper and it cost something like $250 - $300.....

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All my old Stanleys and even some knodk-offs work fine, and I bought them all used, mostly for about $25. One of my best planes is a 120 year old 18" wooden plane. I can't even afford Veritas, let alone planes at prices I can get a car for.
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If you have seen the episode of The Wood Wrights Shop the one where Chris and Roy go through Chris' tool box you will see <snip> his sliding bevel gauge is made by an Australian gentleman named Chris Vesper and it cost something like $250 - $300.....

I hadn't seen that episode, nor heard of those bevels. I looked 'em up and can tell you I'd LOVE to have one. Just not in the cards though.

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The episode was the current season. like 3 or 4 weeks ago. i got it DVR'ed. but dont remember the title.

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I hadn't seen that episode, nor heard of those bevels. I looked 'em up and can tell you I'd LOVE to have one. Just not in the cards though.
I also had to look these up. They do seem to be very well made.

Not in the cards for me either.

I did splurge on the Veritas sliding bevel earlier in the year. I like the mechanism.

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/pag...36,50298,43508
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I can understand having a collection, and if you've actually got the cash and the interest I could even understand collecting rare and expensive planers. I could not comprehend ever taking it to a block of wood, though. I'd still use something that wouldn't make me sob like a baby if I accidentally dropped it on my shop floor
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While searching for something I came across the site http://www.thebestthings.com

I navigated to the various pages and found the Plane list.

Karl Hotley smoothing plane is $7,4000.

http://thebestthings.com/newtools/ka...tey_planes.htm

I have seen other hand planes which were in the $2,000 - $3,000 range, but forget the brand.

If someone can afford to pay the price of the workmanship involved, good for them. I can appreciate the quality and workmanship, but too rich for my budget though.
Other than the wood parts, most of those planes are probably CNC milled out of larger stock and then put together by hand. There's maybe a few hundred dollars in materials and labor involved with those. I don't know how he can command a price like that though.
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Price is not determined by cost of manufacture, but by perception and whatever you can get someone to pay!

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Price is not determined by cost of manufacture, but by perception and whatever you can get someone to pay!
I would gladly pay $3,000 for some of those if I made upwards of around $250,000.00.
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Not me......I dislike hand tools!!! Now if you could find me a 20,000 dollar table saw we might be in business!!!
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I got a table saw I'll sell you for 20k ;-)

That bowl was perfect right up until that last cut...
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Found the name of the Wood Wrights episode that shows those tools he has. its ironically called "the Anarchist tool chest" ..... go figure!

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