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There may be architectural codes restricting the amount of windows but I don't think a building inspector would object to an I beam holding up an exterior wall, especially one story. I often use a 10/26 I-beam when taking out a bearing wall.
Your absolutely right about the structural aspect Steve.

All I'm saying is that there may be code restrictions on the amount of fenestration allowed that are driven by new energy conservation standards.

That would be something that Chicago should be aware of during research and planning (sooner better than later) so as not be blindsided down the road.

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Well, I see that everyone has been getting along just fine without me. Lol!

As promised, I went down to the County Bldg Inspector's (CBI) today and it was time well spent.

When I asked if there was a restriction on how many windows I could have in any given wall, the lady said, "No! So long as it has appropriate header's etc and meets normal bldg spec's." Great!

She asked if it would have a walk-in door or just a garage door or both. I said both. Then she wanted to make clear that there must be an overhead light above the door on the exterior side and that it must have a switch just to the side of the the door on the interior. I guess I thought this might be the case, but I was expecting her to say that the switch would light up the interior of the garage and not the exterior safety light. Either way I would have probably done just that, but I would rather know about this now than later. No problem here.

In talking to the three contractor's that we have, there has been some confusion as to whether or not the new garage can be attached or joined to the existing one-car garage. She said that the new garage could share a common wall with the existing one-car garage. But, if we did not want it attached, the new building had to be a minimum of 10 ft from the existing one-car garage. We prefer the new building not be attached, so this really cleared this up for us.

She was concerned about set backs until she realized that we live in the middle of a 4 acre lot (approx.) so again, this was not an issue. I gave her our address and up came Google Maps. Quck and easy.

Our last lingering issue is just how the electric is going to be run from our existing breaker box to the new bldg. She said that we could go across the roof of our existing home or go underground, both in metal piping, of course. I prefer the former as the latter would be nearly twice the distance and definitely more disruptive.

Once we get the last of our bids in, we can decide on a contractor and then fine tune the window placement and so on.

I will keep everyone posted as we progress.

Thanks to all for the great comments and suggestions.
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Well, I see that everyone has been getting along just fine without me. Lol!
We are getting along. All bases have been covered yes?

Sounds like you have clear sailing ahead.

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What about skylights?
Actually, what I have been thinking about is SolaTubes. I saw these demoed in El Paso several years ago and was amazed. How they would work in our case, I am not certain. But the thing to keep in mind is that we do not want the heat, but we do want the light. These solar tubes do just that. They are pricey, but they may just be the ticket.

The problem with skylights is that you have very little control over the heat entering the bldg. A few years back this area was hit with a hugh hail storm that brought skylight contractor's from several states just to make all the repairs necessary. Not saying that this will happen again, but the solar tubes have a smaller 'foot print' which will not make them any less susceptible to damage should the hail come again.

Who knows? Thanks for the thought.
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We are getting along. All bases have been covered yes?

Sounds like you have clear sailing ahead.
Amen on the bases!

All we are lacking now is the electrical. Hopefully, this will get resolved tomorrow. I will post photos as the work progresses.

Thanks for all the great input.

BTW, I love Jack's quote. Very funny!
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Our last lingering issue is just how the electric is going to be run from our existing breaker box to the new bldg.
Just remember that you will need a 4 wire feed AND a grounding rod (or 2) at the new panel.
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Just remember that you will need a 4 wire feed AND a grounding rod (or 2) at the new panel.
Got it! The electrican just left and I have faith in him. We decided it would be best to go underground from our existing breaker box to the new building. Waiting on his quote as I type. He has to get a quote from his trencher guy before he can figure cost.

I did mention the grounding rod and he concurred.

Thanks for the heads-up.
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I'm jealous...I really want a new above ground shop.

The tools don't make the craftsman....
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I'm jealous...I really want a new above ground shop.
I feel your pain.

I worked in a cold basement in Chicago for ten years and really struggled when doing detail work because of the poor light (and aging eyes, I might add). I cannot begin to grasp what it will really be like to work in a roomy garage/shop with abundant sunlight to work with.

Sometimes I wonder if this shop-building process is really just a cruel dream. I hope it is not.

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Actually, what I have been thinking about is SolaTubes.
i would recommend keeping that thought on a back burner. being a contractor, i have had a lot more calls to repair/seal roof devices, skylights, etc than i have had to install them. any roof penetration breaks the roof integrity, and should be considered very carfully.

like you i have often thought how nice the solar tube lighting would be. have not installed them on any house i've owned. but if you do, i wish you the best with it. maybe they have a fail-proof weather tight method. let us know.
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i would recommend keeping that thought on a back burner. being a contractor, i have had a lot more calls to repair/seal roof devices, skylights, etc than i have had to install them. any roof penetration breaks the roof integrity, and should be considered very carfully.

like you i have often thought how nice the solar tube lighting would be. have not installed them on any house i've owned. but if you do, i wish you the best with it. maybe they have a fail-proof weather tight method. let us know.
Tim,

Thanks for the good advice.

The solar tube's will probably not be used. I hear you loud and clear on the roof leaks. I do not think anything can be more infuriating that a roof leak espcially in a new structure.

To be brutally honest, I am having difficulty trying to figure out just how 'bright' the garage-shop will be with any given window configuration. The North wall is not a concern as this does not provide direct sunlight. It only provides nearly constant indirect sunlight which is why the old master painter's used North facing walls to paint under while indoors. My workbench will be positioned very close to this North facing wall.

The East wall is another matter altogether. It can provide both direct and indirct sunlight. This is a classic example of wanting to having my cake and eat it too. By that I mean, I would like to have all of the light, but none of the heat that comes with direct sunlight ... in the summer, that is. This is why I was considering the solar tubes.

On the other hand, in the winter I want both the light and the heat. So, you see, the donkey is really straddling the fence on this one. My original plan was four 4-ft windows on the North 28-ft wall and three 4-ft windows on the East 24-ft wall. At this moment I think that is what I am going to plan on because I can always put blinds on the East wall window's if the heat is too intense in the early hours of the Summer months. There is no way I'm going to tell my wife that I messed up and will have to add another window after the shop is built. There would be no place to hide if I tried to pull that.

At the moment, I am still in the drawing phase - and waiting on the electrical estimate. When the drawings are done, I should have a better idea about the light. I really believe that there is no perfect solution to this. All I can do is carefully consider all the window options vs the arc of the sun throughout the year and make the best guess from that and live with it knowing I did my best. Hopefully, in the end, this will be work out in our favor.

Thanks again for your comments.
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i would recommend keeping that thought on a back burner. being a contractor, i have had a lot more calls to repair/seal roof devices, skylights, etc than i have had to install them. any roof penetration breaks the roof integrity, and should be considered very carfully. like you i have often thought how nice the solar tube lighting would be. have not installed them on any house i've owned. but if you do, i wish you the best with it. maybe they have a fail-proof weather tight method. let us know.
I have installed a number of Velux windows over the years (skylights) and done a number of roof penetrations. Never have I been called back to fix a leak in my own work.

I agree, reduce penetrations. Where possible have them outside the footprint of the house (in roof overhang space where you have an eaves)

All said and done I would still use a skylight if I wanted one. I am not familiar with the ones mentioned here but can highly recommend Velux though they are not cheap their flashing is very good for the Australian climate etc

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High windows....much like the old fashioned transom windows will help with lighting and not be in the way. If you choose hopper type windows they will help with ventilation. I'm still in the "thinking" phase of my shop and it's not going to be very large, so wall space is more important than windows at this point. As far as skylights go, installed properly they do not leak. (keyword being properly). I'm fairly certain that high windows will be the route I choose.
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Actually, what I have been thinking about is SolaTubes......
A friend of mine put an addition on his house in RI. The upstairs part was accessed by his old bedroom that only had one window. That window became the door to a hallway leading to two bedrooms. In that old bedroom, now totally dark even in the daytime, he installed a SolaTube. If there were two diameters, it was their larger one. On a sunny day, that room became lit up like the ceiling was open to the sky. That SolaTube opened in the roof facing south. If it faced north, I do not know what the difference would be. He felt it was well worth it.

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Shop Construction Update

We've made some progress since my last post. The construction has progressed slowly, but steadily forward.

The first two photos show the building from the West and North facing views. The third photo is from the interior looking just about true North. The forth photo shows the two 14-inch solar tubes. Our dog, Bella, is checking the doorway for bugs. The last photo is an early morning shot looking Eastward.

The window positions have been a compromise. A perfect donkey-across-the-fence scenario. At this time of year - on a clear day, the East facing window's will be too much. In the winter month's they will be lacking in both warmth and light. The garage door will be opened during the sunny winter days to warm up the place. I am sure we'll all manage just fine.

Lastly, to those passers-by, I would bet good money that once they look at the new shop a few times and note the windows and the garage door, they will exclaim, "Hell'a lota windows for a garage!" Good name as any for the new shop.

The doors will be installed tomorrow followed by the window's on Wednesday. So I am told, anyway. The stucco will be applied soon after.

The electrical was placed underground and is now wired awaiting inspection.

The 18-wheeler with our furniture and tools is due here this weekend or the first of next week. It was supposed to have been here on the 19th so we lucked out this time because we needed the extra time to get the shell up. Now, I will have a place to put my tools. The rest should fit in our home. We hope anyway.

Will post more as we progress.
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looking good, cant wait to see the next instalment

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I am gathering from my reading of this thread that there are now places where the eco freaks have gotten into the building code business. Are they now telling us how we must build out homes so that energy conservation is paramount?

I like light in a shop, but also value my wall space.

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I am gathering from my reading of this thread that there are now places where the eco freaks have gotten into the building code business. Are they now telling us how we must build out homes so that energy conservation is paramount?

I like light in a shop, but also value my wall space.

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Ah, wall space! You, sir, have hit the nail directly on its head.

Let me first make note of the fact that I spent the last ten years doing my woodworking in a damp, dark Chicago basement. While I did enjoy chatting with its resident mushrooms and learning about the benefits of soil nutrients in sunless environments, most of my time was spent dreaming about the day I would have a bright, warm and cheery workshop. Those are my 'credential's for designing my new workshop such as it is.

That said, the new shop was, for a time, a balancing act between window placement/count and wall space. I have come to realize that regardless of the number or placement of the windows, it will always be a compromise dependent on time of year. No heating or cooling is planned for the new shop. If required it can be added later, but I do not think it will be necessary. Personally, I have never required much 'heating'. Shade is sufficient to keep me cool.

I think I will have sufficient wall space to satisfy my needs. Our furniture and tools should be delivered in the very near future. Once I assemble all of my tools and get them in place I will have a much clearer idea of wall space volume. My chisels, carving gouges and hand-planes should all be within easy reach. (I do not like drawer's or shelves built into my work bench for these tools.) The rest can go into shelves at the rear of the shop on both sides of the garage door.

I could go on, but in truth, only time will reveal how well I have planned all of this.
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The building looks good so far. You do have some wall space between windows. The fun starts when planning on how to use it.






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Looking good, and I see it is already occupied by your buddy.

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