What is Trim-Carpentry? - Page 2 - Woodworking Talk - Woodworkers Forum
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
post #21 of 37 Old 01-14-2013, 10:28 PM
Turning Wood Into Art
 
DaveTTC's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Jerilderie, New South Wales, Australia
Posts: 4,043
View DaveTTC's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstange2
So what about us guys that frame and finish?
Just means we do both.

Dave The Turning Cowboy

DaveTTC

The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood into Art
DaveTTC is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 37 Old 01-14-2013, 10:38 PM
Senior Member
 
jharris2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,339
View jharris2's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTTC

Just means we do both.

Dave The Turning Cowboy
And with a greater degree of accuracy (care).

When I die, I want to go peacefully like my grandfather did in his
sleep. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car.

Jack Handey
jharris2 is offline  
post #23 of 37 Old 01-14-2013, 10:47 PM
woodbutcherer
 
jstange2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Southeastern South Dakota
Posts: 610
View jstange2's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTTC View Post
Just means we do both.

Dave The Turning Cowboy
The "full fix" then?
jstange2 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #24 of 37 Old 01-14-2013, 10:52 PM
Turning Wood Into Art
 
DaveTTC's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Jerilderie, New South Wales, Australia
Posts: 4,043
View DaveTTC's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstange2

The "full fix" then?
Sounds good to me.

Dave The Turning Cowboy

DaveTTC

The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood into Art
DaveTTC is offline  
post #25 of 37 Old 01-24-2013, 07:18 PM
HSpencer
 
HSpencer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Southeastern USA
Posts: 80
View HSpencer's Photo Album My Photos
Here in the US of A during the building boom of 1995-2008, if you had a hammer (or something close to one) you WERE a carpenter. A truck was optional, but looked good. Walking and chewing gum at the same time got you an extra dollar an hour.
If you were young, and could carry a concrete block, you were a mason.

"Less----Is The New More"
HSpencer is offline  
post #26 of 37 Old 01-24-2013, 09:43 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 55
View DonG1947's Photo Album My Photos
A fellow I knew who was probably one of the finest carpenters I ever knew liked to say, "A little putty, a little paint, makes a carpenter what he ain't."

Don
DonG1947 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to DonG1947 For This Useful Post:
vinnypatternmaker (01-24-2013)
post #27 of 37 Old 01-29-2013, 05:34 PM
Member
 
Ryan 4 custom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 56
View Ryan 4 custom's Photo Album My Photos
If you have to use putty and u have to use paint by God a carpenter u ain't.

The trade. Learn it love it and if u can't leave it for those who believe in the above.
Ryan 4 custom is offline  
post #28 of 37 Old 01-30-2013, 10:17 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 55
View DonG1947's Photo Album My Photos
[QUOTE=Ryan 4 custom;433525]If you have to use putty and u have to use paint by God a carpenter u ain't.

Ryan,

Love that!!!

Don
DonG1947 is offline  
post #29 of 37 Old 01-30-2013, 02:52 PM
Turning Wood Into Art
 
DaveTTC's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Jerilderie, New South Wales, Australia
Posts: 4,043
View DaveTTC's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan 4 custom
If you have to use putty and u have to use paint by God a carpenter u ain't.

The trade. Learn it love it and if u can't leave it for those who believe in the above.
Didn't Noah use 'tar' on his joints

Dave The Turning Cowboy

DaveTTC

The Turning Cowboy
Turning Wood into Art
DaveTTC is offline  
post #30 of 37 Old 01-31-2013, 11:49 AM
Still got all 10
 
Gary0855's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Salisbury NC
Posts: 207
View Gary0855's Photo Album My Photos
I was in the Union for 32 yrs. Commercial construction, Hotels, Hospitals, casinos in Atlantic City NJ. But I started out building houses on Long Beach Island, that Sandy wiped out.
In the union we did mostly metal framing and drywall, and would be called sheetrockers. I would always say "I've never been so insulted in my life, I'm a Carpenter". Now there were some guys that could only sheetrock, that's all they ever did, couldn't frame on 16" centers to save their life.
You could tell the guys that came from housing. I think they made better carpenters than someone that had no housing experience. It's something my Father would call "Carpenter Fashion", maybe it was old fashioned, but it was the right way to do it.

In the union, some guys got a job with a ceiling company and work their whole career with one company. Boring.

There is only the Few that build from start to finish, the way it used to be. A carpenter would do everything. My Father told me, that when he was young he had jobs that started by building the steps to the job trailer and ended with tearing them down so the trailer could be removed 2 years later.

But now speed is King, there are some ceiling guys I could not keep up with if I tied both of their hands behind their back. And so work became "Specialized". You don't get a Rocker to put a panic bar on a door, not that he could.

Thus ends my trip down memory lane, I'll be quiet now......lol

If your bleeding, Your doing it wrong!
Gary
Gary0855 is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Gary0855 For This Useful Post:
windygorge (03-18-2013)
post #31 of 37 Old 02-01-2013, 11:18 AM
Member
 
thomask's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Down South
Posts: 50
View thomask's Photo Album My Photos
Thumbs up How true Gary, how true



When my mother and dad had their house built they hired three carpenters and two of their wives who ran a family construction business. They did all the framing, roofing, the electrical, all the cabinets they built right on site, the finish trim, countertops, all the paint, stain and wallpaper.

The house was built like a battle ship.

You just don't see much of this any more.

All that talent in one family and one business.

As NORM always says...
"and don't forget to wear these, safety glasses"
thomask is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to thomask For This Useful Post:
WarnerConstInc. (03-18-2013)
post #32 of 37 Old 02-01-2013, 01:24 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 28
View Homewright's Photo Album My Photos
I've been in remodeling and renovation work for over 30 years. I agree with Gary0855 about how everything has become so specialized. I wouldn't give you two cents for a new construction carpenter on one of my jobs. To be able to look at a situation and determine how much demo will get the job done without taking down the whole place takes a lot more than these new guys have. Finesse isn't a word a lot of guys have in their vocabulary but that's exactly what it takes to selectively attack a problem with a solution in mind the whole way. It's a different science altogether. I do all my own electrical, plumbing (when I don't have inspections etc.), framing, finish (including sheetrock), site built cabinets and built ins, and offer myself as a full service renovation pro. People I've been working for love it when they don't have to have 5 different subs in their house. If we do have subs, I'm there with them. Too many horror stories of when I needed to be gone and they'd try to pull a fast one in my absence.
Homewright is offline  
post #33 of 37 Old 02-04-2013, 11:11 AM
Member
 
thomask's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Down South
Posts: 50
View thomask's Photo Album My Photos
Well said

Quote:
Originally Posted by Homewright View Post
I've been in remodeling and renovation work for over 30 years. I agree with Gary0855 about how everything has become so specialized. I wouldn't give you two cents for a new construction carpenter on one of my jobs. To be able to look at a situation and determine how much demo will get the job done without taking down the whole place takes a lot more than these new guys have. Finesse isn't a word a lot of guys have in their vocabulary but that's exactly what it takes to selectively attack a problem with a solution in mind the whole way. It's a different science altogether. I do all my own electrical, plumbing (when I don't have inspections etc.), framing, finish (including sheetrock), site built cabinets and built ins, and offer myself as a full service renovation pro. People I've been working for love it when they don't have to have 5 different subs in their house. If we do have subs, I'm there with them. Too many horror stories of when I needed to be gone and they'd try to pull a fast one in my absence.
Well said and I may add there is not as much art in the building biusiness it seems with all these specilalties out there it seems. Kinda like the old country doctor that took care of you in the old days. More personal care so to say, it is what it is.

As NORM always says...
"and don't forget to wear these, safety glasses"
thomask is offline  
post #34 of 37 Old 03-18-2013, 09:06 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Southwest Washington
Posts: 36
View windygorge's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by jstange2 View Post
So what about us guys that frame and finish?
US guys have the ability to cross over those lines very well. At least for me, I can frame with the fastest, then ever so gracefully cross over into finish and do it beautifully. Most people can't.
windygorge is offline  
post #35 of 37 Old 03-18-2013, 11:47 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 18
View Gone Wood'n's Photo Album My Photos
I usually call framers as wood butcher'ers cause being in the upper mid west I see a lot of things that truly I'd never do in framing but I'm no framer I just tinker with my own house but do know enough to think twice about buying homes that I visit when I'm out and about the area of my city. finish carpentry or trimmers or finish carpenters gets around my neiborhood.


"Over engineering is an understatement."
Gone Wood'n is offline  
post #36 of 37 Old 03-19-2013, 12:03 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 18
View Gone Wood'n's Photo Album My Photos
On another note to this is this... not all framers make things nice for the sheet rockers but it takes an excellent sheet rocker to cover up the screw ups of framers and make them blend in with the house. Most sheet rockers around here also texture walls and some even paint but there again that's an entirely another specialty around here too. it usually rolls down hill like other things where the framers blame the concrete guys for not making their forms either square at the corners or level on the plane. Then the sheet rockers blame the framers for never giving enough backing to nail or screw to. Then the trimmers come in and blame the sheet rockers for blending in the corners too fat making them out of square when they should be grading them down then taping and feathering them in to make a more square corner to trim off of. There's nothing wrong with using putty none what so ever. In fact I've never in all the touring of houses new and old have seen a house built without using putty in any state I've gone to.
Gone Wood'n is offline  
post #37 of 37 Old 03-22-2013, 06:43 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 4
View Imnukingfutz's Photo Album My Photos
I'm a trim carpenter...my job is finishing all the wooden aspects of the job that you will see...cabinetry, moldings, handrails etc...we make the corners square when the framers cant...lol

The joke in our group is that the framers are the ones who cant read a tape measure below 1/4 inch increments.
Imnukingfutz is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Imnukingfutz For This Useful Post:
jharris2 (03-24-2013)
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Woodworking Talk - Woodworkers Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hello all, new here but not to carpentry. WarriorWithWood New Member Introductions 17 12-26-2013 09:29 AM
A little light carpentry Ken Johnson General Woodworking Discussion 4 09-02-2012 12:16 AM
carpentry job Woodworkingkid Off Topic 8 04-24-2011 02:26 PM
this is carpentry magizine kreg mcmahon Trim Carpentry & Built-Ins 13 11-19-2009 10:07 AM
On-Screen Takeoff For Finish/Trim Carpentry Alternator309 General Woodworking Discussion 0 02-11-2008 10:56 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome