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post #1 of 37 Old 10-08-2012, 08:53 AM Thread Starter
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What is Trim-Carpentry?

I'm a Carpenter-Joiner by trade but I learnt my trade in Sweden and I was just wondering what Trim Carpentry is? Is it a special kind of carpentry?

I'm just not too good on the English names sometimes. :)

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Well you have a Framer who builds the house then a Trum Carpenter would do finish work. ( Installing cabinets, mokldings, doors, and stairs etc, )

It's usually called trimming a house.
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Is that the american way of saying it? I'm working in England at the moment they call it second fix carpentry... Too many different words for the same thing!
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No worries Dev, a lot of times a guy from the east coast calls things differently from a west coaster.

I've worked with guys from other states and picked up their lingo.

Then the guys from my home town don't know what I'm talking about.

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Well thank you very much! :)
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Kreg have a video showing use of Pocket Holes in trim carpentry.
As I understand it, basic carpentry is the frame etc of a house. The trim is the interior and any wood decoration.
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My Dad was a carpenter his specialty was framing. A couple of his brothers, while also carpenters, were into the finish side of the trade. They were called finish carpenters. Keep in mind that in those days the finish carpenters built all of the cabinets on site. I don't know where the term trim carpenter comes from. I'm on the east coast.
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My Dad was a carpenter his specialty was framing. A couple of his brothers, while also carpenters, were into the finish side of the trade. They were called finish carpenters. Keep in mind that in those days the finish carpenters built all of the cabinets on site. I don't know where the term trim carpenter comes from. I'm on the east coast.
Depending on where you are from, carpenters can be called a variety of things, some might not be nice.

For stick built, or work involving the construction with dimensional lumber, they could be called "rough carpenters", or "framing carpenters", or just "framers".

The term "trim" comes in for those that added trim to the work, like window and door casing, crown moulding, base moulding, etc.

Other work could be classified as a specialty involving general carpentry, such as staircases, decks, roofs, facades, and docks.

At one time the term "carpenter" referred to an individual that built an entire house. The term "carpenter" has become more specialized. There are ship/boat building "carpenters" known as "shipwrights". Woodwork carpenters that process lumber or work wood, can be called "millwrights". Carpenters have had the duties at times to build cabinets and furniture for homes. There wasn't always furniture stores.







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That's cool! In Sweden carpenters are called "Timmerman", which literally translates as timber man haha xD


Which gives rise to a popular joke.... "Got wood?"
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Just as a side note Finish carpenters are guys from that country beside you.

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Laughing!

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In Australia we typically have 1st and 2 nd fix carpentry.

Trim carpentry I imagine is what we call 2nd fix

I did my trade also as a carpenter and joiner thus did all of the above, joinery in a workshop and on site fixing, form work and other construction related trades.

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Oh, Frank - that one did make me laugh I must admit xD haha
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I looked through the replies to see if anybody gave your the "Finnish" joke. I started trimming houses in 1990, having been a cabinet and furniture maker since 1968. That was in Minnesota. "Minnneeesooootaaa", as the Swedes say it here. When I moved to Wisconsin, I heard my first "finnish" joke. The guys on the worksite teased me about being from Finland, but I didn't get it. Finally, they told me that carpenters who do the trim work are "finish carpenters"...from Finland. I guess I would rather be called that than a 2nd fixer. Although, the finish carpenters do have to fix the problems that the framers create from their poor workmanship. They also have to fix the crappy corners the drywallers install, so I guess we are 2nd fixers, in a way.
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In Australia we typically have 1st and 2 nd fix carpentry.

Trim carpentry I imagine is what we call 2nd fix


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Hey Dave:

A good 2nd fix carpenter in the US is known as a painter with a knack for puttying the first trim carpenter's mistakes to make them disappear.

As NORM always says...
"and don't forget to wear these, safety glasses"
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Hey Dave:

A good 2nd fix carpenter in the US is known as a painter with a knack for puttying the first trim carpenter's mistakes to make them disappear.
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Trim carpenters are the guys who make today's excuse for construction look halfway decent. My preference is to work on old houses because the lumber was better, the workmanship was better, and design was actually the marriage of form AND function. In framing, most guys will be content with 1/4" tolerance while in trim work, you have the 'caulk and paint make it what it ain't' crowd who CALL themselves trim carpenters but are only half a step above rough carpenters. Guys working on stain grade who know how to cut compound miters with no gaps, can cope a joint, can grain match and scarf a joint so it virtually disappears, who go crazy walking into a nice restaurant and proceed to pick the place apart (in their minds) because it was built in a hurry by people who didn't care: that guy is a real trim carpenter. Unfortunately, anyone can call themselves a carpenter while the reality is, a true carpenter is going to keep learning every day he's on the job because he always wants to be better than he is now.
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Trim carpenters are the guys who make today's excuse for construction look halfway decent.
You can say that again. I painted new homes for number of years and always marveled at the skill of a good trim carpenter.
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You can say that again. I painted new homes for number of years and always marveled at the skill of a good trim carpenter.
"That again"!

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So what about us guys that frame and finish?
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