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post #1 of 6 Old 01-02-2007, 06:59 PM Thread Starter
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Please help with door trim

I may have created a problem for myself. On some larger doors in my house I did not use a Plinth Block to set the casing on. I simply wrapped the bottom of my Pilaster in the base moulding that I used everywhere else. I really like the look of the way everything flows together.

Now I am working on the smaller doors, and I have a problem. The base moulding is too thick which pushes the side of the pilaster over to the point it will not touch the jamb (I hope I have all of the terminology correct).

I would prefer not to have to switch to a Plinth Block. Maybe this is the reason I always see Plinth Blocks and not wrapped base moulding. Do I have any options here?
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I think I understand what you are doing but I don't see how you're not having the same problem on the larger doors. You have to leave the pilaster at least the thickness of the base away from the jamb so when you return the base to the jamb you're not sticking out into the door,right? Are the jambs thicker on the larger doors? How much further does the base push the pilaster over,1/8-1/4-3/8"? Depending on the style of the base the only thing I see you could possibly do is rip it down to the thickness needed to clear if you only need 1/8 to 1/4",put it around the pilaster first then cope the side pieces into that. The base will be thinner on top but maybe not that noticeable once finished. Let us know if on target with what you're doing.
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Yes, you understood perfectly

That's exactly what I was trying to say. Yes, I made the jambs myself on the larger doors and they are thicker. The smaller ones are the split jambs that are common with interior doors.

The gap is at least 1/8" from my pillaster to the jamb. On the larger doors the reveal is larger than the 3/16"-1/4" that most people have, but it looks good on such a large door. I hope it doesn't stand out on a smaller door. I don't think I can cut it down to get it back to a 1/4" reveal.

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How much room do you have between the jamb and the framing? Could you possibly add a 1/4" piece to the jamb before you apply trim and thereby making it look like the larger doors?
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I know exactly what you are talking about as well.

What you can do is to cut back the rock on the side you want to trim. Then glue up a 3/8 x whatever width you need to the outside edge of the jamb clamp and sand.

You can also nail packers directly to the face of the jamb, but then you will also need one behind the outside edge of your pilasters. That may put you into all your light switches. It will also change the look by adding an additional inside and outside corner to the base and crown per pilaster.

I wrote an article in '96 for FHB which was very well illustrated by their artists on using this technique among others to do wainscotting jobs on the cheap. I was making my own jambs, so I made them the same widths as the studs. That way I could just nail the packers onto the face of the jambs with a 1/4 reveal.

That article is still for sale on the taunton press after all these years. Actually, I think it is probably the best article I have ever done.

http://www.taunton.com/store/fharchi...rch_browse.asp

I can't get to the article because I don't allow cookies but it is the third one down on the above page - the name is jim chestnut. There is a picture on the front cover of the mag that issue that will show what you are after. There is also a pic with the article as well. You may be able to get to a pic without having to pay 3.50 to download the article.

What you are doing, by the way, if you did it the way I described, can eliminate a whole lot of problems associated with pilasters, plinths, pilaster wraps etc. It will allow you to use standard doors, for instance, where the bottom hinge positioning will not interfere with tall plinth blocks.

You can run into the same problem you are having with some factory door when using nothing but casing sitting on a plinth block. You have to hold the thick plinth back far enough so the hinge won't squeak on it, but then when you center your casing on the plinth, you run out of jamb to nail the casing - same problem your are having now.

By doing what I am saying, you can lighten up the design and de-formalize it as well, by using base wrapped pilasters to just under the chair rail cap. Wrap the bottom of the shortened pilaster with base and cap at the bottom, and run the chair rail over top of the pilaster and returned to the packer. Then you can set the actual casing on top of that chair rail "shelf" and miter the top corners of the casing.

The result is a less domineering look than what you get with full pilasters with a crown wrap at the top.

Doing what you are doing will be well worth the effort in my opinion.

If you are not yet confused enough, do not hesitate to reply. I'm sure I can get you even more confused without even trying very hard.

Good Luck.

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