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Picture Frame Wainscoting

Got a little job putting up some picture frame wainscot and chair rail. Going in the foyer area, she wants it to look more finished off. They are getting ready to have it painted so now's the time.

Here is the room.








A few CAD drawings for layout and measurement. This is how I size my frames.





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I used the new Bosch Glide saw to cut the rectangle frames. Now that it is setup it cuts perfect. The 45s must be within .05 degrees because there are no gaps in the miters and they lay out perfect.

I use 2P-10 and TiteBond II to glue the miters, no pins. I put a good size drop in the middle of the large bead and a small drop in the small bead, then I surround it with TBII. I find the 2P-10 is a bit delicate when it comes to shock, the yellow is much stronger. The 2P-10 is the clamp so the yellow glue can setup.

I won't show you rectangles...boring.

Here is a parallelogram that goes up the stairs. These were done on the tablesaw with a sled.






Here's the triangle for the top of the stairs


This was a 45-45 cut with the Bosch, all 90s were cut with the Bosch







The parallelogram and the triangle were done in 1 try. I have a secret way to do them.

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When I go to the clients home I take a 6" pc of plywood about 2' long. I cut the stair stringer angle on it so the long side is plumb and the short side (angle) sits flush on the top of the stringer. That board is my template for the stair angles.

For the parallelograms are the easy ones actually, well besides the rectangles. I have a tablesaw sled that I screw two boards on that I use as fences for the angle. For the sharp acute angles I take my template and stick it in between the fences and contour the fences to the angle. I make sure they are even along the cut side so I get even angles on both pcs.

Then you just put the molding against the angled fence and push it through the blade. Usually a few times to knock off the square edge. Then you do it again on the other side. This forms the sharp angle that is exactly the same as the template.

For the wider obtuse angle you use the other angle on the template. You line the two fences up with this angle and lock the fences down (with screws). Because this angle is so wide I will take another pc of plywood and run it through and then flip it over to see if it lines up with the saw kerf, if it does you have equal angles. If it doesn't line up you need to shift both fences to correct it. In my case it I got it on the third try to get the bisect angle. I measure off the sharp point to the proper distance and then make a few cuts to sneak up on the line.

Then the rest is easy, just glue it up.

For triangles you need another angle. But that is easy to get because it needs to be the other side of the 90. So I take the template and a square and another pc of plywood and line them up on the inside of the framing square, draw a line and cut it on the miter saw. Then you check it with the square, if it's off then make the adjustment on the miter saw and try again until it is perfect.

After you get a perfect 90 with the original template and new template you can use the new template angle to set the 2 fences on the sled just like was done on the other angles.

It's nice because there are no numbers involved. It is all done with the templates and since the templates were formed from the stringer itself you have a physical reference and not a numerical reference. It is really hard to duplicate 42.2 degrees on a bunch of moldings consistently on a miter saw. And with molding lengths of 2 and 3 feet those 1/10ths of a degree add up quick.

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Went to the shop today because I forgot my computer mouse, brought the camera and took some pics of the jig setup. No one asked so I assume my literary description filled your mind with pics and images just like these

Here is the sled with the two fences, I put the reference board with the stair stringer angle in it as this was the last miter cut I used. It formed the obtuse angle on the parallelogram.



This is a pic of the two stringer angles that were there. The lower stairs were 0.1 degrees different than the upper section. So I made two references. Also shown is the other angle I created to form a 90 degree reference so I could make the triangle and the clipped areas of the squares.




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Finally got back there to take some photos. Still not painted yet.


















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Leo,
nice work, consistent with all your the other pics. There are a few things which I noticed, the handrail had an up easing but the picture frame is mitered, IMO they should match. In the drawing you have a dog-leg picture frame, doesn't work for me, don't see it in the pics. also the meetings of the moldings is far too close in the finial pic, again IMO. Workmanship is flawless. Overall very nice work.
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The last pic where the moldings meet I looked at for a while. In the pic it looks like they don't line up at all but in reality the lower edge of both moldings line up, they are both 37" off the landing. The camera angle makes it look like they don't line up that way. I had a helper and we tried a few things and that is what we both agreed on that looked best in the situation

I made the dog leg frame and brought it to the house, but for whatever reason things didn't line up even though I copied the CAD drawing exactly. When I was there I took the frame and flipped it so the square corner was up and it lined up perfectly, so I just made another rectangle and that was that.

Because of the height of the upper floor I didn't have the room to have the chair rail to rise up to match the handrail.

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Nice work, looks good. Good sled explanation.





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I am sooo happy

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That is some impressive work, IMO. I like how you work.
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Wow, now that's impressive. Well the client wanted something to give the room a finished look and you accomplished that and then some. It looks absolutely beautiful. Great work, as always Leo. I love these posts of yours. I'm just never going to show my wife because I'll have a honey do list the length of my left arm.
Great work sir.

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Nice work on the quilt too.
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Leo damn you are good
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Brilliant. Thank you so much. I love American decor :-)
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You must have some good vision to do that. Looks fantastic!
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Leo, very nice workmanship and thank you for the tutorial!
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Very good.

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very well done sir. truly impressive.
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Your house layout is so close to mine it is scary other than mine is a mirror image, better hide these pics from my wife otherwise I know what I will be making.
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