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post #1 of 25 Old 06-01-2008, 08:15 AM Thread Starter
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Cabinet hinges

I'm building kitchen cabinets with face frames and inset doors/drawers. For the islands (which get less daily use) I made the doors the old (hard) way, with standard leaf hinges, and a lot of hand-planing to get a uniform reveal.

For the cabinets that will store dishes, the kids will use them more, and I want something to stand up to that treatment. European hinges have done well on the old doors, which were overlay on frameless cabinets. The Blumotion closers look like a good idea.

I couldn't find anything on Blum's web site. Is there a source for European-style hinges that work with inset doors on a framed cabinet? If not, who makes a hinge for an inset door on a frameless cabinet? (I could install blocks behind the frame to support the hinges, if I have to)
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I don`t believe they make a hinge for 3/8ths inset doors on frameless cabinets. There is a hinge that requires a curf on the back side of the door and is 3/8ths inset /3/8ths overlay. It is a production hinge....and most woodworkers don`t like them! You will need to add THE BLOCK!

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Sorry I don`t know why I said that you need the block...you do not need it with the hinges.

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Here is one type of inset FF hinge.



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Inset and flush are two different styles...

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Thanks!

I tried calling Woodworker's Supply of New Mexico, because they show some inexpensive hinges. It turned out they have two catalogs, one for amateurs and one for pros. The pro catalog has just what I wanted, and made by Blum.

You have to buy one part for the cabinet and one for the door. If you want the Blum 'soft closing' feature, it's a part clipped on to the piece attached to the cabinet. For a 120 degree opening:

Door 134-321 120D H/O HINGE CLIPTP SCREW @ 4.89
Cabinet 134-501 CAST ADAPTER FF INSET SCREW @ 3.39
"Blumotion" 150-215 BLUMOTION-INSET 120D HINGES @ 3.59
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I believe that Hafele will have just about any type of hinge that you can imagine.

www.hafele.com Be sure to select United States

I believe that they are basically a wholesale company, but they will set up an account and sell to you retial.

Recently Rockler was out of the european hinges that I needed for a rabbited door I was making. Hafele was the ONLY other place I could find
those hinges.

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I don`t believe they make a hinge for 3/8ths inset doors on frameless cabinets. There is a hinge that requires a curf on the back side of the door and is 3/8ths inset /3/8ths overlay. It is a production hinge....and most woodworkers don`t like them! You will need to add THE BLOCK!

I was re-reading this thread and the OP didn't mention a need for 3/8" inset. What were you referring to?



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Inset and flush are two different styles...


What's the difference?






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Years ago, inset doors referred to 3/8" inset usually hung with amerock hinges or a variety of "knife" hinges. Overlay doors were overlay doors and flush doors had the face of the door flush with the face frames.

Today, many younger carpenters call "flush" doors "inset" doors. This is so common in some places that it takes a sentence or two to make absolutely sure what kind of door people want.

"True" inset doors are pretty rare anymore from what I've seen.

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I made the doors the old (hard) way, with standard leaf hinges, and a lot of hand-planing to get a uniform reveal.
Sounded like he was making flush mount doors to me.
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Yes, I agree.
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Years ago, inset doors referred to 3/8" inset usually hung with amerock hinges or a variety of "knife" hinges. Overlay doors were overlay doors and flush doors had the face of the door flush with the face frames.

Today, many younger carpenters call "flush" doors "inset" doors. This is so common in some places that it takes a sentence or two to make absolutely sure what kind of door people want.

"True" inset doors are pretty rare anymore from what I've seen.

Cheers,
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We all have interpretations of what certain terms really mean. As far back as I can remember, "flush" doors were more often than not just called "inset" doors, and also referred to drawer fronts. Then there was "3/8" inset" doors, and drawer fronts. And lastly were the overlay configurations.

I guess it depends which side of the mountain you were, and what the suppliers of the hardware called them.






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Yes all that is certainly true but...3/8 inset doors have no reveal to be modified by hand planing. The only door configuration likely to have a reveal ( opening or space around the perimeter of the door) are flush mounted inset doors....unless "reveal" is interpreted to mean something else.
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link was missing

I just ordered these for my inset doors in my Kitchen project.

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Yes all that is certainly true but...3/8 inset doors have no reveal to be modified by hand planing. The only door configuration likely to have a reveal ( opening or space around the perimeter of the door) are flush mounted inset doors....unless "reveal" is interpreted to mean something else.

That's true, but I'm trying to figure out what brought that on as there was no discussion about "reveal".






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I'm building kitchen cabinets with face frames and inset doors/drawers. For the islands (which get less daily use) I made the doors the old (hard) way, with standard leaf hinges, and a lot of hand-planing to get a uniform reveal.


The question is still a little foggy though.
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The question is still a little foggy though.

Not foggy in my book. It's evident that he's talking about flush doors (full inset), NOT 3/8" inset. Leaf hinges are the same as butt hinges.






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I'm building kitchen cabinets with face frames and inset doors/drawers. For the islands (which get less daily use) I made the doors the old (hard) way, with standard leaf hinges, and a lot of hand-planing to get a uniform reveal.
stop trying to make me think I'm losing my mind!
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Not foggy in my book. It's evident that he's talking about flush doors (full inset), NOT 3/8" inset. Leaf hinges are the same as butt hinges.






It's only foggy to me because he talks about doing something different on the rest of the cabinets
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