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post #1 of 50 Old 04-18-2013, 11:22 AM Thread Starter
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Question Cabinet doors too small

Hi - we recently added some new cabinetry and wanted to match the old cabinets doors and draws to the new. We ordered new cabinet doors and they were lovely... but... we noticed that they cut them to the exact measurements of the opening in the cabinet frames. We have framed cabinetry. I have tried contacting company who made them and they are not willing to help fix it. I cannot afford to reorder new cabinet doors and need to fix this anyway possible. Any suggestions from anyone? And please be kind... I have seen some other post of people giving their comments and saying "your screwed" this is already an upsetting situation so only intelligent and resourceful recommendations please
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Hi - we recently added some new cabinetry and wanted to match the old cabinets doors and draws to the new. We ordered new cabinet doors and they were lovely... but... we noticed that they cut them to the exact measurements of the opening in the cabinet frames. We have framed cabinetry. I have tried contacting company who made them and they are not willing to help fix it. I cannot afford to reorder new cabinet doors and need to fix this anyway possible. Any suggestions from anyone? And please be kind... I have seen some other post of people giving their comments and saying "your screwed" this is already an upsetting situation so only intelligent and resourceful recommendations please
if you can get some of the same kind of wood , you mite fram them with we will say 1" all the way around the door's or smaller that is what i would do, you can't add wood to the wood already cut. or take the door's to a cabnet shop and have them make a fram to fit if you don't have any tool's, sounds like you don't have any shop stuff ?? good luck if you have the drawing you sent in to have the door's made and they are to that speck, it is your's, if it isn't than they should make it right ? good luck
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One option is to hang the new doors as inset doors, rather than as overlay doors. Meaning the doors fit flush in the faceframes, not over them. It requires a different hinge and the new doors may have to be shaved/cut down a little for clearance. Another option may be to add on to the new doors so they can be used as overlay doors. Some type of a mitered molding around the perimeter could be applied. You didn't say if they are finished or if you have woodworking skills and tools. Some knowledge about hinge types and how to install them is important.
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A little more information might be useful. Type of doors (overlay?), wood, they aren't finished (right?). Some pics of the doors, and maybe one cabinet might help. What about the drawer fronts, are they useable? That said, there may be a way (ways) to use what you have, but almost any I can think of will require at least some woodworking tools (have any?). Also, the final finish may be a factor, some things are easier to hide if the wood is painted. So... I won't say you're screwed, but you do have a challenge.

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Thanks for the response. Have some tools, some mild skill. I attached a photo of the type of doors. Was a phone order and they won't respond to me. The cabinetry is going to be painted just need to see if we can get doors to work.
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Thanks... yes I did think about if it would work inset. instead of adding to the door, my thought was to add a small strip to make up difference in the frame... if possible since they are going to be painted. any thoughts with that idea?
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Sorry for the lack of info... new to this kind of stuff. I added a photo of the doors. They are unfinished paintable maple. They were supposed to be overlay on framed cabinetry... all was to be painted. The draw fronts are unusable, I think only one is possible. They are not a huge concerned, will figure that out maybe get new ones. Have some tools and some mild skill enough to be able to make somethings work :-)


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No pictures are up, maybe you forgot to click the upload button.
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Well, others will have another approach (probably better), but to use those as inset doors, you have to remove the outer edge profile and then glue some stock on. Possible, but it does add a complication. In fact, any solution I can think of to make these usable would mean having to square up the outside edge and add material. Then if you still wanted that profile, you have to cut a new one on the additional material. The tricky part about gluing on some more stock to machine would be the joint at the rails (horizontal parts) and stiles (vertical parts). I'm not sure how i would handle that, but if it's maple maybe it can be painted some none of the grain/joint lines show. Wait and see what other thing folks think up.

Edit in: I did have another thought: what about making the face frames smaller so the doors will fit? That would entail putting a piece of wood on the inside of each frame that measures 3/8" or so. If that's acceptable, t would be infinitely easier than modifying the doors, and probably look a lot better.

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How many doors/openings are you referring to? Are the new doors going to be next to or close proximity to the old ones? For the existing doors, I'm assuming they are overlay on a face frame. What's the overlay...IOW what's the spacing between the doors where two meet, or where doors are back to back? And, just for general info, how wide are the face frames?





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Fred my thoughts exactly. I don't think I would attempt to modify the doors themselves. I feel comfortable modifying the opening. I figured I could just attach filler pieces and make sure put something (putty, etc) making the crack where they meet undetectable. This of course makes the opening smaller but I think that will be ok considering the opening of each is considerable and it's not really taking that much away in order to put things away. it is still a lot of work but, I think this is the best idea to still use the doors without modifying them. Anybody disagree with this route and what would be the concerns moving forward with this????
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Once you address Cabinetman's questions I think this approach may be feasible. His questions address the appearance of the new and the old.

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@Cabinetman - there are approximately 15 doors of all varying sizes. Yes, they will be in close proximity to the new ones. Pictures below show old cabinets and just to the left is the new. Sorry these probably would have been helpful earlier but, I didn't realize I had these until now
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@Cabinetman - I think the face frames are 2 inches not exactly sure since I am not at home I can't measure them

the space between the ones that meet is about 1-2in. I do have 2 doors for under my sink that does not have anything between them it is all open with the 2 doors meeting each other in the middle. you can somewhat see them in picture. Sorry about the lingo....

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You might find if you add a 3/8" piece to each inside edge that it would line up exactly with the edge of the undersize door, making the seam unnoticeable. I'm still thinking that's the easy way out.....for the (sink?) cabinet that doesn't have the center stile, you could add one. Put it in so it's removable, in case you need to crawl in there for plumbing work.

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I will just be up front about the situation. You have the new ones fitted (as overlay) to the left of the refrigerator. The bulk of the doors (15) are to the right. If the fix is to make the the ones on the right inset, they in no way will look similar to the others. Sure, filling in the face frame can make them work, but if you are like me, it will be a sore thumb every time you look at them.

If you make the new doors inset, they have a little cove on the face edge, that will set the face ahead of the face frame if the bottom of the cove is flush with the FF. It looks like about an eighth inch. I really don't know how to advise you. I know you don't want to hear it, but biting the bullet and re-ordering would be peace of mind, and a lesson learned.

Instead of making a farce out of the kitchen, maybe wait until you can afford it to re-order . The whole point I'm making is that overlay and inset will look completely different.


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@Cabinetman - there was never an intention to inset the new doors. I think that may have been confused with an option someone had stated that I did think about but, doesn't really make sense as you you make perfect point of. I purchased new doors to put up on old cabinets (to right of photo) that match the new cabinet doors (to the left of fridge). I would like to work this situation out to still have them overlay but wasnt sure how to accomplished that. I thought adding some sort of filler strip of wood on the face fronts of the old cabinetry would make it work. Unfortunately can't pay for more new doors budget busted.
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