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post #21 of 27 Old 04-05-2018, 03:14 PM
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Age is great and all, it doesn't entitle things to any special status...It's just 4 crooked walls and a leaky roof...
For clarity, please understand I do not mean any disrespect to you personally...but I do have to strongly confront your shared views and philosophies on this and the other subjects you have now touched upon...My words may sound strong, or even harsh, but are meant to only entice thought on the subject, if not for you, but for hopefully others that read them...

Please have whatever view of the world you wish, and what's in it and how you wish to treat all that's in it...including the food you put in your body...That is entirely up to you, and you have to live with the consequences...As do we all for our choices and actions we each take...

My response is aimed solely at your interned meaning and the collective mindset that have similar outlooks...

Once again...inept justification from my perspective...is how they read, for doing whatever you want to your "four walls." You do certainly currently have that right to due whatever you want to them...as in most regions of the country (thankfully not all) so even if it affects your neighbors now or in the feature...again you get to make that choice for them irregardless of how it may effect them...now or in the future.

Following your logic:

If age of anything doesn't..."entitle things to any special status,"...than why bother protecting anything old at all?

Why protect some of our countries original flags...it's just cloth?

Why protect the original constitution...it's just paper?,

For that matter, since you brought it up...why protect any of Frank Loyd Wright's architecture...as most of that is hideously constructed crap with bad choices in materials and related methodologies. I been involved with a few examples of his work...in a word...much of it is pretty crappy workmanship because many artisans and trades people would walk off his projects..and the only brilliance is in their design and the mind behind it...Wright himself, collectively was difficult, challenged, and not really that great to be around quite often...

Why bother, if we follow your logic to really save, protect or spend money and time protecting any thing that's old..???

To you its just old "crooked walls and leaky roof" after all...right?

But what will it be to someone else with a different perspective?

What can they do with it?

What would they like to do with it if given the chance?

If we follow your rather narrow and selective (perhaps even dare I say selfish) view points and philosophies on this subject...they don't get to...right?

From your perspective you have the right to decide for them...or more germane to the point...take those choices completely away from them?

You "can raise a coop of chickens" if you wish. I personally do live on and with farmers and around Amish as I have most of my life. That again is a choice someone can make...or not...for themselves. Or you can be a mass consumer like the rest of the "sheeple" and just buy whatever the industrial poultry industry sells you and put that in your body...That is your right.

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It's about your view of the world, sometimes it's limited.....

Before I was assigned an oversea stay in Japan, I had always admired their culture, tools and sense of simplicity in design IE flower arrangements etc. When I was exposed to the culture and the people first hand it was a mind expanding experience. There is nothing like smelling the actual scents, listening to the water dripping from the bamboo falling into the pool, seeing the Koi come up to be fed and riding on the Bullet train at 155 MPH.

Few discussions on forums actually change minds or opinions, and when they do it's a result of open minds and persuasive information presented in a clear, simple and sometimes visual manner. The photo is worth 1000 words sorta thing. Sometimes you are treading water, othertimes you are swimming against the current ... a rip tide., and that's not gonna turn out well. It's best to know when to change directions ......

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Yes, my words were "age doesnt automatically entitle things to special treatment". My words were not "nothing old deserves special treatment". My argument was that just because something is some arbitrary number of years old doesnt mean that its special, the age in and of itself doesnt confer anything. What determines worth is the history surrounding the building.

So, following my logic, my house is 101 years old and a piece of crap, and nothing should really stop someone from buying it, bulldozing it and building a line of condos. Its not special because of its age, its just old. On the flip side of that token, my place of work IS a historic landmark, a downtown building older than my house that served as a mason lodge in a prior life. Typing from the basement of it right now. There is actual, identifiable history in this building, its actually listed on the citys list of landmarks, and i do believe it belongs on that and should be protected. The starbucks down the street that was converted from a warehouse built in the 50's? Not so much. The flag is just cloth, the constitutions just paper. They have value because we assign value to them. That same value isnt attached to a t-shirt or a ream of copy paper, and the same value isnt even attached to every scrap of fabric that happens by. I can get my hands on a wagon wheel from the same vintage as the Declaration of Independence, doesnt mean that the wheel deserves to be behind 6 inches of bulletproof glass in a climate controlled environment

Im not pretending i have the right to make anybody elses decisions for them, if someone wants to take the time to only use historic and reversible methods to modify a building because of something in their head, more power to them. So far the only person passing any judgement here has been you, by immediately declaring someone elses advise as poor practice and then trying to browbeat people with your credentials. Im not saying theres fault with either method, in fact as youll recall my original comment on this thread was wondering how this went from "old building" to "historical restoration project and if you dont do it this exact way youre wrong and destroyed the building".

This is a home shop woodworking website, dude was asking how to attach trim to a brick wall, unless someone suggested he adhere it to the wall with a mixture of ground ivory and bull semen, im not seeing how any of this was wrong and its not like its a competition to see whos the most right. Lets leave the discussions about who is and isnt an "actual professional" somewhere, anywhere else

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...It's about your view of the world, sometimes it's limited.....
If this was meant for Chris...I'm not sure I think Chris's views are narrow at all...I actually like most of his post quite a bit.

He actual does (and I think he is here on this post too) really thinking about things a great deal. I wouldn't bother posting a reply if I thought otherwise...

If that comment was aimed at me...Then do please paint me really confuse Woodnthings...LOL

I am a practicing Taoist...

I was raised in both a Native America and Korean/Japanese household as a child... I've traveled the world now a fair amount and specialize in Asian architecture...So for anyone that actually knows me, you could say I can be dogmatic, or even stubborn...of that their is no doubt...LOL...but having a narrow view of the world...that is just funny...
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Before I was assigned an oversea stay in Japan, I had always admired their culture, tools and sense of simplicity in design IE flower arrangements etc. When I was exposed to the culture and the people first hand it was a mind expanding experience. There is nothing like smelling the actual scents, listening to the water dripping from the bamboo falling into the pool, seeing the Koi come up to be fed and riding on the Bullet train at 155 MPH.

Few discussions on forums actually change minds or opinions, and when they do it's a result of open minds and persuasive information presented in a clear, simple and sometimes visual manner. The photo is worth 1000 words sorta thing. Sometimes you are treading water, othertimes you are swimming against the current ... a rip tide., and that's not gonna turn out well. It's best to know when to change directions ......

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If this was meant for Chris...I'm not sure I think Chris's views are narrow at all...I actually like most of his post quite a bit.

He actual does (and I think he is here on this post too) really thinking about things a great deal. I wouldn't bother posting a reply if I thought otherwise...

If that comment was aimed at me...Then do please paint me really confuse Woodnthings...LOL

I am a practicing Taoist...

I was raised in both a Native America and Korean/Japanese household as a child... I've traveled the world now a fair amount and specialize in Asian architecture...So for anyone that actually knows me, you could say I can be dogmatic, or even stubborn...of that their is no doubt...LOL...but having a narrow view of the world...that is just funny...
I gave my own example of my limited view of the Asian world and culture which expanded once I was there and saw it first hand.

The following paragraph was more to the discussion in this thread. Ya gotta know when to stop and "change directions" because you ain't gonna convince someone whose taken a firm position for what ever their reasons are. That probably applies to both sides of this one ......
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I had to come back to see how this thread was progressing. I was surprised by the direction it took, but I shouldn't be I guess. The same argument can be found on car sites I'm on, when it comes to original restoration vs hot rodding. There are strong feelings on both sides of the debate.
I'm not a good one to debate the subject of historical buildings. I'm not sure of the age of our house, but the original building has square nails and real 2'x4's. It's been added on to 2 times 3 if you count the addition we added about 20 years ago. When remodeling the original section, I found a newspaper from the 1920's under the linoleum. It was right where it looked like the original entry door could have been. The flooring under the newspaper was worn down from foot traffic. The house went from a 16'x24' 3 room coal miners shack originally, to a 45'x90' footprint today. All that's left of the original is 2 outside walls that have been rebuilt. Original floor joists (but not the subfloor) and a little bit of the roof still remains. House was jacked up at one time and received a new poured foundation. It was done with modern forms, so it had to have been done fairly recent. The only way to tell it was an old shack at one time is to go down in the basement. Well that's not really true either as the basement was hand dug, under addition #2. by the parents of the people we bought the house from. The dirt is original to the house......... nope, I forgot, we brought dirt in to raise the backyard after we did the addition. One reason we didn't just push it over and start from scratch, is the building permit for an addition to an existing structure was a couple hundred bux. Building permit for a new structure runs 5 figures. It was a coal miner's shack in it's earlier days, in what was once a coal mining town. There are still plenty on them around in various stages of repair. I've never heard of any being considered historical, but given the history of the town, someday they may be, when there's only a few left to save.

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Attaching trim to Bricks

Just an update. I tried nails, both finish and square cut. Mortar was too soft, bricks too hard. Didnít consider adhesive because once I got into it, it was obvious that the brick wall was too uneven, and there would be no easy way to hold the trim in place while the adhesive dried.

I went with my first impulse which were Tapcon screws. I used 3/16 x 1 3/4 so the holes are minimal. So long as I drill and screw into the brick they hold strong. I recessed the screw hole so I could plug it with either matching flush plugs to make the holes invisible, or some kind of contrasting mushroom type plug to create interest. Still have plenty of time to make up my mind.

The tin was mostly secure to the ceiling, but needed tacking to the trim strip, so I used decorative upholstery tacks.


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