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post #41 of 78 Old 07-07-2014, 11:36 PM
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Any chance of the ads being tools? They maybe tolerated a tad more.

Cut it twice, measure once and it's still too short.
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Any chance of the ads being tools? They maybe tolerated a tad more.
I will check on that for you.

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Doesn't matter to me if they still get paid as long as I don't have to see and avoid them.
It doesn't matter to me either. As I said, I am just curious.

While I am being curious, uncle fester makes a good point. Unless I am mistaken, the point of advertising on boards such as this is to achieve "targeted advertising" serving ads to persons who have shown an interest in what is being advertised. Lots of these ads, particularly the Knotra ads, have little to no applicability here.

Since I can ignore jut about anything, all of this really doesn't affect me. Just self education. Have advertisers gotten so stupid that the concept is now "any old ad served any ole place is a good ad."

The Kontra ads are kind of like land mine, they sharpen my mouse skills avoiding them. I wonder if there is a n app that would keep score on that.

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It doesn't matter to me either. As I said, I am just curious. While I am being curious, uncle fester makes a good point. Unless I am mistaken, the point of advertising on boards such as this is to achieve "targeted advertising" serving ads to persons who have shown an interest in what is being advertised. Lots of these ads, particularly the Knotra ads, have little to no applicability here. Since I can ignore jut about anything, all of this really doesn't affect me. Just self education. Have advertisers gotten so stupid that the concept is now "any old ad served any ole place is a good ad." The Kontra ads are kind of like land mine, they sharpen my mouse skills avoiding them. I wonder if there is a n app that would keep score on that.
Exactly. I would look at ads from Delta, Poeermatic, Makita, etc. I don't think advertisers have gotten too stupid. The agencies they hire to place ads can put a spin on it of the amount hits or volume of viewers and they get paid the same. Never mind that the views are from trying to avoid the ads and myself, I won't buy any products that have been annoying ads ill placed.

Cut it twice, measure once and it's still too short.
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I didn't use AdBlock on this site because I wanted to support the site. The adds got so bad I now use AdBlock and Richard's fix for the width. I don't know if the site still gets credit when someone blocks the adds but I doubt it. I also don't come here as often as I once did, due to the new owners attitude. It's true that without adds there will not be a forum but it's also true that if you drive away the guys that are doing all the posting, then there isn't any content and the forum will die. I wouldn't have any objection to a normal amount of adds that are woodworking oriented but not the overwhelming amount that are currently destroying the site and most of the new adds have nothing to do with woodworking, especially the Knotra adds. I hope the new owners come to there senses before the site is completely ruined.

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Honestly I also started thinking to leave the site. Amount of ads are completely insane. And now I'm getting annoying popup ads on ipad on every thread I open for reading. It doesn't help to site popularity at all. And yes I'm fairly new person here. And without people the site will have ZERO usefull content.
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I was totally fine with the ads under the previous ownership. This has become intrusive to the point that I got ad blocker for firefox and no longer see ads, which is great.

But I am really pi$$ed off at the site managements response and the narrower content viewing area.

Not one thing done to return the site back to what it had been. Instead, the admin says "seriously y'all lets get back to posting about wood" or something like that.

What ever.....
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We don't provide the content, we ARE the content. Were the consumers. The site owners, whoever they may be, have overhead costs. They have to pay for the server space, web address and DNS servers, people to help maintain the site. They've got to pay for that somehow, and nobody wans to pay a membership fee. Sure, ads are annoying, but you know what? It takes less than 5 seconds to click the x to close the popups. The only thing "ruining" the site is the number of people who do nothing but complain about the ads. Let's all put on our big boy pants and go back to hitting each other with handmade baseball bats
While I agree the ads aren't as bad as they were a month or so ago, plenty of people HAVE said they would pay a user fee to go "ad-less". So far that has been a no go, for whatever reason.
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While I agree the ads aren't as bad as they were a month or so ago, plenty of people HAVE said they would pay a user fee to go "ad-less". So far that has been a no go, for whatever reason.
That is actually an idea that y'all provided that I have taken to those above me. They are discussing the possibility of this alternative. I hope to hear something on this very soon.

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If we implemented a usergroup that removed ads or reduced them drastically for a small fee, how many would be interested in it? I would hate to have to add something that will just tank in the long run but if its something that the community sees value in, I could certainly make a strong case for it.

Can I get some feedback on this from you all please?
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I would be interested in this. It does depend on the price point and what benefit is achieved by said price point. I think you would get better mileage out of both removing ads and expanding the column width for the usergroup.
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I guess it would depend, I have no problem with it as is right now as the ads don't bother me, I see them all around me everyday on many sites, if the subscription was reasonable I would likely go along with it if that was the direction the forum took.

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I guess it would depend, I have no problem with it as is right now as the ads don't bother me, I see them all around me everyday on many sites, if the subscription was reasonable I would likely go along with it if that was the direction the forum took.
Frank, if the company decided to do something like this would be an option to avoid ads, not a requirement to fully participate in the community.

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Frank, if the company decided to do something like this would be an option to avoid ads, not a requirement to fully participate in the community.
Put up or shut up, maybe that is what it will take to get back to normal around here.

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Frank, if the company decided to do something like this would be an option to avoid ads, not a requirement to fully participate in the community.
Let me hold my breath. I would be shocked if their was a choice between fee and no ads or ads and free. Seems the Ownership has a core business of advertising and it always best to control your distribution by owning the sites. I'm sure it's not their love of woodworking..

Has Ownership rolled back ads on other forums or had the philosophy some will leave but be replaced by newcomers and the site keeps growing. You should be able to answer that.

The forum has a lot of members who can afford a nominal fee but I bet it will not come close to the ad revenue or your pricing yourself out of the box. The forum has a lot of newbee members that ask for guidance on what biotin level tool they should buy on Craig's List. Bet they won't pay for a site when there are so many free forums.
The ads are here to stay but I think a lot of folks would tolerate them if they didn't block the actual post. Good luck with your Dilbert mission.

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If we implemented a usergroup that removed ads or reduced them drastically for a small fee, how many would be interested in it? I would hate to have to add something that will just tank in the long run but if its something that the community sees value in, I could certainly make a strong case for it.

Can I get some feedback on this from you all please?
So your proposed fix is that we replace the income you'd lose by removing the plethora of ads you have now?

You want feedback to such a plan? That plan is asinine. It's nothing more than you saying that you're bound and determined to turn this site into a money generating site and that you'll get that money from ads, or directly from the people who want to share their ideas with the rest of the community. It does absolutely nothing to fix the real problems that you're causing.
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If we implemented a usergroup that removed ads or reduced them drastically for a small fee, how many would be interested in it? I would hate to have to add something that will just tank in the long run but if its something that the community sees value in, I could certainly make a strong case for it.

Can I get some feedback on this from you all please?

I posted the subcriber fee idea here #73

http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f16/s...-63579/index4/

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Is obamacare your only option? Do you have health insurance through work. It's sounding like you are running naked.
My employer "Me" doesn't offer insurance. Not likely to solve that problem either. After the accident I turned down so much work because I couldn't physically do it that I don't have a lot of work anymore. I'm just now starting to get the business going again.
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If we implemented a usergroup that removed ads or reduced them drastically for a small fee, how many would be interested in it? I would hate to have to add something that will just tank in the long run but if its something that the community sees value in, I could certainly make a strong case for it.

Can I get some feedback on this from you all please?
Love the forum on my IPad. Is this going to change?

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Love the forum on my IPad. Is this going to change?

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I don't anticipate any changes that would impact that. Also, if you ever do have challenges viewing the site properly from any device, please let me know so that we can fix any issues.

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