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post #1 of 24 Old 07-01-2018, 01:38 PM Thread Starter
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Thumbs down Worst Bathroom tile job Iíve ever seen.

I don’t even know what to do with it. I guess I need to remove all of it to replace it, but I’ve never done anything like this before. I just bought this house and I didn’t really look at the shower until I used it. The floor was so rough that it hurt my feet and I can’t go in there without flip flops.

How hard is it to remove tile and is there something under it to keep shower from leaking? It is a concrete floor.
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There should be something that the tile is laid on such as cement board. It might be a problem removing the old grout. Later, if the tile is the right type and installed properly, there should be no water problem. My daughter and SIL bought a nice house a few years ago. My daughter was getting something out of the back of the closet next to the shower in the MBR. The wall was covered in mold as was the crawl space. A tile installer looked at it and determined that tile was not made for shower or water environments. It cost a chunk of change to have it replaces and cleaned up.

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There is typically a "pan" of sorts to contain the water in the shower and direct it towards the drain. Lot of variations exist, lead, pvc, membrane, even hot tar mopping.

None of it is difficult, but it can be a little involved, I've done a number of the pvc pans, really just heavy PVC sheeting that you lay on the floor, and wrap up about a foot(needs to be higher than the curb) on the walls. Typically mud is packed onto the pan, these days most good tile guys will pre-slope the floor before the pan, then mud on top of the pan.

I've learned a lot from the tile forums at johnbridge.com, haven't looked recently but they used to have a step by step for the pan and curb.

I've attached a couple of pics of our master bath that I did, never got a finished pic once the glass went in.



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Oh WOW! @shoot summ, that looks fantastic. I wold love that.

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There should be something that the tile is laid on such as cement board. It might be a problem removing the old grout. Later, if the tile is the right type and installed properly, there should be no water problem. My daughter and SIL bought a nice house a few years ago. My daughter was getting something out of the back of the closet next to the shower in the MBR. The wall was covered in mold as was the crawl space. A tile installer looked at it and determined that tile was not made for shower or water environments. It cost a chunk of change to have it replaces and cleaned up.
Oh man this is what I'm afraid of. I don't want to have to pay someone to fix it. I've laid tile on the floor before , but never a shower

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That kind of tile is kind of rough anyway. It's hard to say from here if the problem is the tile or someone got sloppy with the mortar or grout. If it's the grout they make products that can soften the dried mortar where it could be cleaned off with a brass brush. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Concrete-...&wl13=&veh=sem
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That looks like natural shale tile, not a great idea for a shower. It could be installed perfectly and still have that problem. You might try using a concrete grinder on it to smooth the jaggedness then refinish to whatever grit suits you, and seal it well.
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That kind of tile is kind of rough anyway. It's hard to say from here if the problem is the tile or someone got sloppy with the mortar or grout. If it's the grout they make products that can soften the dried mortar where it could be cleaned off with a brass brush. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Concrete-...&wl13=&veh=sem
Not only is it not a great tile for the feet, but there is grout everywhere. I found some grout and concrete cleaner in the garage, so I know they knew they screwed up. Plus the tile is not flush or inline. There are a few different types so I'm not sure if any even worked. Luckily there are 3 separate showers that I can use when I tear this up.

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You could use a Fein multimaster or similar oscillating tool to remove grout. Should be a video on utube,
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You could use a Fein multimaster or similar oscillating tool to remove grout. Should be a video on utube,
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I hate this tile so much that I don't care to save it. I think I'm just going to bust it up but I'm just concerned about the pan or whatever it is under the tile to keep it from leaking

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I hate this tile so much that I don't care to save it. I think I'm just going to bust it up but I'm just concerned about the pan or whatever it is under the tile to keep it from leaking
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This looks like more than I can handle. I may just bust apart all of my tie and hire someone to come in and tile it correctly. I just realized after going through those photos that mine isn't even sloped toward the drain.

There was a large handled squeegee left in the shower and now I know that it was used to push all the water toward the drain instead of it just flowing down the drain.

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Or just quit taking showers. Line up the family and run them through the sprinkler a few times in the back yard.
Story- Heard of a guy who couldn't figure why his water bill went up. Late one night, he heard water running during and went through the house and outside to investigate. Turned out his new neighbor hadn't had his water turned on and was using the garden hose for a shower. Caught him red-handed. Well, maybe not red-handed but he got the bare facts about his water bill.
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You could use a Fein multimaster or similar oscillating tool to remove grout. Should be a video on utube,
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I recently used my multi tool for removing grout to patch a kitchen backsplash.
They have blades for wood, metal and ceramic. It worked great.
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If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when will you have time to do it over?
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IF it's just the floor, You can lay over it with the correct product....I believe it's Flexbond thinset ( I use it on ALL my tile work due to it bonds to most products) is the one that will stick to glass (MOST thinsets WILL NOT do this!!!!) so it would bond to existing tile IF cleaned properly. The challenge may OR may not be the drain..You may be able to chip/remove /cut the tile just around it and it may screw up to hieght needed...NOT ALL drains are built this way. Use a small tile and it will flow better to the floor pan contours and or changes. You could also reslope IF needed and not tearout. THIS really depends on your trust of the original pan being correctly installed. There's a few tile tricks that could be done around drain.

Have fun....it's a pain following bad workmanship....BUT that's what makes 90% of my business ...troubleshooting and fixing what others have done wrong.
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IF it's just the floor, You can lay over it with the correct product....I believe it's Flexbond thinset ( I use it on ALL my tile work due to it bonds to most products) is the one that will stick to glass (MOST thinsets WILL NOT do this!!!!) so it would bond to existing tile IF cleaned properly. The challenge may OR may not be the drain..You may be able to chip/remove /cut the tile just around it and it may screw up to hieght needed...NOT ALL drains are built this way. Use a small tile and it will flow better to the floor pan contours and or changes. You could also reslope IF needed and not tearout. THIS really depends on your trust of the original pan being correctly installed. There's a few tile tricks that could be done around drain.

Have fun....it's a pain following bad workmanship....BUT that's what makes 90% of my business ...troubleshooting and fixing what others have done wrong.
Oh wow, now that might be my answer. Today I was at Home depot and bought some thick foam rubber kitchen mats to put down so I can at least shower. While we were there, we looked at some fiberglass showers and wondered if we could put one of those in over top the tile. But the drains might not line up and then I thought it might be a problem connecting up a shower fixture.

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Or just quit taking showers. Line up the family and run them through the sprinkler a few times in the back yard.
Story- Heard of a guy who couldn't figure why his water bill went up. Late one night, he heard water running during and went through the house and outside to investigate. Turned out his new neighbor hadn't had his water turned on and was using the garden hose for a shower. Caught him red-handed. Well, maybe not red-handed but he got the bare facts about his water bill.
This happened to my mother-in-law except it was an extension cord run under the fence and plugged in to her outdoor outlet. I noticed the cord plugged in, but didn't realize that it ran under the fence to the neighbors house. We figured it had to have been there for a couple of months and only noticed it when their dog dug a hole under the fence where the cord was.

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I hate this tile so much that I don't care to save it. I think I'm just going to bust it up but I'm just concerned about the pan or whatever it is under the tile to keep it from leaking
Assuming this house is where you don't have your tools you might put off removing the tile for a while. There would be less chance of ruining the pan if the tile was removed with an air hammer.

Tile work is easy but you would at least need a cheap tile saw so if you waited it would give you a chance to acquire a saw to replace the tile.
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Assuming this house is where you don't have your tools you might put off removing the tile for a while. There would be less chance of ruining the pan if the tile was removed with an air hammer.

Tile work is easy but you would at least need a cheap tile saw so if you waited it would give you a chance to acquire a saw to replace the tile.
This is true, I can't do anything right now until after I get the shop built and I do have a tile saw that I bought years ago for the tile work at my other house
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I prefer tools like the Bosch Bulldog for removing tile. Similar to an air hammer but electric, and more controllable IMO.
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