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Reverse Osmosis System constantly draining

I installed a Reverse Osmosis System yesterday and I have been having a lot of problems getting it to run. I know everything is hooked up right because I’ve been through it 10 times. The troubleshooting videos all are pointing to my bladder tank which have to be 5 to 8 psi of air empty. It has been draining for 2 days with the exception of last night when I turned it off. I put the drain hose into a bucket to measure how much and it’s been over 20 gal so far.

I had to go to the store to buy an air pressure gauge because none of the 5 I have now can measure that low. The new one is supposed to start at 5 psi, but I’m not sure if it’s very accurate. The tank does feel heavier like its filling and I read that it usually takes 2 to 4 hours. It’s been close to 6 hrs now since I emptied it to check the bladder pressure and it’s still draining.

I’m on a septic system with poor soil peculation not to mention the wasted water. I may have to abandon this project if something doesn’t change soon and I was just wondering anybody else experienced this.

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I installed one that had no water because the system had to be primed first. There are a bunch of different things that could go wrong with those. I don't install those anymore because they are a pain to get going.
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I installed one that had no water because the system had to be primed first. There are a bunch of different things that could go wrong with those. I don't install those anymore because they are a pain to get going.
I'm kind of desperate because our well isn't fit to drink and I am so tired of buying drinking water, but the largest problem for us is having no ice from the ice maker. I probably would not have moved here if I knew about the water.

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I installed a Reverse Osmosis System yesterday and I have been having a lot of problems getting it to run. I know everything is hooked up right because Iíve been through it 10 times. The troubleshooting videos all are pointing to my bladder tank which have to be 5 to 8 psi of air empty. It has been draining for 2 days with the exception of last night when I turned it off. I put the drain hose into a bucket to measure how much and itís been over 20 gal so far.

I had to go to the store to buy an air pressure gauge because none of the 5 I have now can measure that low. The new one is supposed to start at 5 psi, but Iím not sure if itís very accurate. The tank does feel heavier like its filling and I read that it usually takes 2 to 4 hours. Itís been close to 6 hrs now since I emptied it to check the bladder pressure and itís still draining.

Iím on a septic system with poor soil peculation not to mention the wasted water. I may have to abandon this project if something doesnít change soon and I was just wondering anybody else experienced this.

I donno, but that pressure 5 to 8 seems way too low:
http://www.wplawinc.com/FAQRetrieve.aspx?ID=49018

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I donno, but that pressure 5 to 8 seems way too low:
http://www.wplawinc.com/FAQRetrieve.aspx?ID=49018
The 5 to 8 is the air pressure of the bladder before water pressure. After it is full, the added water pressure brings it up to to 45 psi. Its the 30-50 pressure that is supposed to shut the drain valve off. My water pressure into the house is 45 psi which should close the valve and open when the pressure drops when opening the faucet.

I guess I could have a defective drain valve, but the tank isn't filling up. It had water in it earlier when I drained it but not the 4 gal like its supposed to have. It probably only had a quart by what I had to mop up from the floor.

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i feel for you. we have a well & septic, whole house back flush carbon filter for iron and particles, water softener and reverse osmosis for drinking/ice maker. spring thaw is the worst, the whole neighborhood complains about water quality. ro does take up to 10 gallons of back flush to produce one gallon of ro water, thou your system sound like it's well past that.

you probably have a bad unit or hooked up incorrectly, even if you checked 10x. have you tried manufacturers tech support yet? they're pretty good with their own product. they may even send you a new unit or control body.

we've used ro for over 20 years with very good results. the city recently ran a 12" water main down the road, i'd never change over to city water, because of the monthly cost. water bills can run over $300 per quarter without lawn sprinkler systems.
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There may be something not connected properly, I have a Watts Zero loss system, I shut it down about every six months to change filters, simply turn on the water and plug the electrical back in and away it goes. Worst problem I have is my dog licking my face when I am on the floor unscrewing the filter canisters. 😊
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I have the WATTS Premier that I bought from Costco 20 years ago, but never even opened the box until now. The only thing that I see different from the new ones is the way the water line is connected to the tank.

Mine has a tee on top of the tank between the main filters and the inline finishing filter whereas the newer ones have a single line going both to the tank and the inline filter split at the valve itself. I know I have filtered water coming out of the drinking faucet because I saw the carbon dust come out when I first turned it on. The only thing I can’t understand is why the tank is not filling up and its constantly draining. I believe and hope that will stop after the tank fills up. My wife seem to think I left a plug or something in the tank tee fitting, but I don't know if that's possible

I have to leave the state tomorrow so I bought an inline ľ shutoff valve to turn it off while I’m gone and I’ll try it again when I get back in a couple of weeks. My daughter will be here, but I’ve bought plenty of bottled water to keep her happy.

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My daughter did some research on her own and discovered a Permeate Pump. It actually replaces the automatic shut off valve which I suspect might be the problem with mine never shutting off. It recycles the waste water so the waste is closer to 1:1. The Permeate Pump is easily retrofitted to my current system for under $50 so I'm going to give the system another chance and if it works then I'll add a UV sterilizer.

I have a couple of plastic 55 gal drums to collect the waste water for watering my trees and garden although that's another problem in itself.

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On mine the waste water is plumbed into the hot water line so goes to the hot water tank.
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On mine the waste water is plumbed into the hot water line so goes to the hot water tank.
Oh that's interesting, I'll have to check that out.

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This is the manual, it shows the plumbing for mine:

https://www.espwaterproducts.com/con...tem_Manual.pdf

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