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That would be pretty irresponsible to start plans on the restoration without examining every square inch of the walls for fire damage...
Steve...I've tried to respond, up to this point respectfully...

I will not any longer...This topic is to dear and emotional for me at this time to tolerate your absurd nonsense!!!

I am without patients to further tolerate your incessant posting that clearly stems for both ignorance and hubris with some sordid need to always be relevant in a conversation...even when your not...Why can't your learn when you are out of your depths on a topic and just perhaps actually try to perhaps listen and learn something...???!!!...Maybe actually ask more questions that make statements with no foundation of understanding?

For you to "chime in" on a topic like this to once again fain some level of expertise or knowledge equal to another is simply ludicrous....then to go on and reflect "assumption" as being worth merit of consideration compared to someone that actually works in this field goes beyond the pale of inane...

I stated nothing about a "quick glance" and that is not only a trite comment, I would suggest its...once again...your need to debate a subject you know absolutely nothing of germane value about. Yet still ...???!!!...somehow you insist on injecting yourself into the conversation to debate points that no one even actually suggested as if your perspective is helpful, insightful and bettering to the understanding of the topic...

For you to post like this and start pontificating about that your "sure someone has" been doing whatever is laughable...Yes Steve, of course they have...that's common sense...that most readers probably also have some inkling about....Would you actually like to know some details about that topic...or about the sensor conservation/restoration measurements they do take...or protocols already in place for just such an events...or the data that has been recorded...or the locations of countless PDF research papers on these modalities...or...what actually the after incident protocols are? Though little of it is in English...That is all academic and not relevant to this post thread that Tim started about "loss and solace."

Frankly Steve...what would or would not surprise you really is of no value to this conversation...

Whatever it is...would be assumption and guessing at best because you have never dealt with, studied or done this kind of work...Have you? So again, perhaps maybe its time to start respecting other folks with expertise you don't have...
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That would be pretty irresponsible to start plans on the restoration without examining every square inch of the walls for fire damage. A quick glance might only be good to determine if it is stable enough for further examination. I'm sure as large as that structure is someone has been keeping measurements of where everything should be. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have to put up a temporary steel structure to hold everything in place while the roof is replaced. More than likely they will erect a temporary roof while this is being done to prevent any further water damage.
Someone did a laser scan of the cathedral. From what I have learned there is some question as to where the data is...

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...and a lot of technology has and is being used during and after fighting the fire. Following the restoration of Notre Dame should be very interesting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...=.b124dc8fb7c1
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Someone did a laser scan of the cathedral. From what I have learned there is some question as to where the data is...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...&v=y955vAfT724

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAi29udFMKw
At least they have data as to where everything was before the fire so they can compare it to what it is now. That should help a lot.
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Steve...I've tried to respond, up to this point respectfully...

I will not any longer...This topic is to dear and emotional for me at this time to tolerate your absurd nonsense!!!

I am without patients to further tolerate your incessant posting that clearly stems for both ignorance and hubris with some sordid need to always be relevant in a conversation...even when your not...Why can't your learn when you are out of your depths on a topic and just perhaps actually try to perhaps listen and learn something...???!!!...Maybe actually ask more questions that make statements with no foundation of understanding?

For you to "chime in" on a topic like this to once again fain some level of expertise or knowledge equal to another is simply ludicrous....then to go on and reflect "assumption" as being worth merit of consideration compared to someone that actually works in this field goes beyond the pale of inane...

I stated nothing about a "quick glance" and that is not only a trite comment, I would suggest its...once again...your need to debate a subject you know absolutely nothing of germane value about. Yet still ...???!!!...somehow you insist on injecting yourself into the conversation to debate points that no one even actually suggested as if your perspective is helpful, insightful and bettering to the understanding of the topic...

For you to post like this and start pontificating about that your "sure someone has" been doing whatever is laughable...Yes Steve, of course they have...that's common sense...that most readers probably also have some inkling about....Would you actually like to know some details about that topic...or about the sensor conservation/restoration measurements they do take...or protocols already in place for just such an events...or the data that has been recorded...or the locations of countless PDF research papers on these modalities...or...what actually the after incident protocols are? Though little of it is in English...That is all academic and not relevant to this post thread that Tim started about "loss and solace."

Frankly Steve...what would or would not surprise you really is of no value to this conversation...

Whatever it is...would be assumption and guessing at best because you have never dealt with, studied or done this kind of work...Have you? So again, perhaps maybe its time to start respecting other folks with expertise you don't have...
It's funny, the news media is saying what is to be done now is exactly what I've been saying, the debris will have to be removed first and then evaluate the walls for damage. Then only thing I didn't know is the floor where the debris has fallen there is worry about it not being able to hold the weight of that debris.
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I have been thinking about the wooden beams which apparently were cut from Oaks nearly 500 years old. The middle ages began the great ship building boom and use of oak as a construction material. Certainly in the UK oak planting was undertaken in the 1800s but these trees are not yet able to yield the size of beam required. The Victory took 6,000 oak trees. As the roof is hidden by lead sheet on the top and the underside not visible above the stone vaulted ceiling, I would consider using steel girders which would be invisible to be a good replacement. Cheaper, more quick to assemble and relatively fire proof. I was mistaken in thinking there was a night watchman. However, it does look as if the fire alarm could not give the exact location. I suspect someone was having a fag and the fag end set light to dust etc. This was the cause of the Kings Cross Elevator fire.
I am told that our Ely cathedral has a modern alarm system and other precautions. In the case of Windsor Castle, wood had to be used as the hall roof was on show and a feature.
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Another thought, there is bound to be a lot of wood that has come down that is salvageable. I hope it is saved and furniture or something is built from it. What is not salvageable I would cut up in little pieces and sell to help pay for the restoration.
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...and a lot of technology has and is being used during and after fighting the fire. Following the restoration of Notre Dame should be very interesting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...=.b124dc8fb7c1

This morning I heard that someone had done 3D scans of the entire building that are accurate to within 5cm.
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Very good idea. They do sell "splinters of the cross"
Relics made from old timbers of The Victory crop up fairly regularly and always sell well.
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Another thought, there is bound to be a lot of wood that has come down that is salvageable. I hope it is saved and furniture or something is built from it. What is not salvageable I would cut up in little pieces and sell to help pay for the restoration.
No doubt that will happen, with the amount of tourists that pass through every year it could be very lucrative.

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Anyone find fault with this story?
https://www.theonion.com/investigato...edr-1834116819
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Could we keep the personal attacks out of this thread. This is not the place to have debates or try to belittle others.
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Googled "cause of Notre Dame fire" ....

I Found this:
https://youtu.be/DPzFMWqZs_4?t=22
CBS News is saying ....."according to local papers .....may have been cause by an electrical problem in an elevator"


https://www.google.com/search?q=caus...w=1920&bih=944


https://www.thelocal.fr/20190417/not...we-know-so-far
Obviously, people all over the world are now wondering the cause of the fire, and investigators are now focusing on the antiquated electrical system. Certainly the latest and the best technical assets will be brought to bear in this investigation to best determine the cause.
Personally, if human causes can be ruled out, that would be a relief.

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Could we keep the personal attacks out of this thread. This is not the place to have debates or try to belittle others.
So Jim it's obvious you didn't read it AND Steves allowed to slur this tongue in cheek. This could've been one of those "cutesy" false articles except this is a serious event.......guess what, there's people that will also REALLY believe the article due to they KNOW nothing about construction and the trades.

Someone deleted my post but left his.....NO I AIN'T HAPPY !!!!! YOU'LLprobably delete this one also before anyone has time to awake and read.....

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I closed the thread, all the bickering and belittling gets old.

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