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Need to buy small refrigerator to store batteries.

With AZ daily triple digit temperatures my Ni-Cad batteries are self-destructing with-in 6 months of purchase and its getting too costly to replace them. I even had to replace a Rigid Cordless Drill because I left it out in the sun for a few days and now the clutch is blown out. The motor turns but the chuck just makes noise. I just bought a new battery a few months ago and Iím just not sure if itís going to survive and will not know for sure until the new drill is here.

My shop is cooled with an evaporator cooler, but only if the humidity is less than 20-30% depending on the ambient temps. I also have a portable AC unit for when I actually have to work during the heat of the day, but I avoid it and usually get up at 4 AM to do any work. Now that Iím fully retired and living on a fixed income, I really donít want to run an AC 24/7 in the shop especially if Iím not using it.

Another option is building a cabinet inside my house which is fully Air conditioned for the cordless tool. Thatís going to be a hassle going into the house every time I need a tool plus my wife isnít too keen about it.

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With AZ daily triple digit temperatures
That is nature's way of telling humans that they aren't ment to live there.
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consider a propane refrigerator .....

I first thought you could use a 12 volt frig, but then remembers RVs use propane ....
https://www.warehouseappliance.com/b...-refrigerator/


OR ...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B086PLSBZ7/ref=dp_cerb_1

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)

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With AZ daily triple digit temperatures ...<snip>... Now that Iím fully retired and living on a fixed income, I really donít want to run an AC 24/7 in the shop especially if Iím not using it.
i think triple digit temps is overruled by being comfortable in retirement
we're on the other end of the scale in sw michigan, i heat my shop all winter, winter can be 8 months long here
i installed a used 80k btu, high efficiency gas furnace in my shop almost 20 years ago
i've never regretted having a warm shop to go to when the sun rises at 7:30am and sets at 5:00pm
and the outside temps can drop many degrees below zero
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WOW I'm no longer in CA, but I wonder why it says "Not Available For Sale Or Use in California".

CA has a lot of energy regulations and I don't want use anymore energy than I need to although it might be the type of refrigerant.

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i think triple digit temps is overruled by being comfortable in retirement
we're on the other end of the scale in sw michigan, i heat my shop all winter, winter can be 8 months long here
i installed a used 80k btu, high efficiency gas furnace in my shop almost 20 years ago
i've never regretted having a warm shop to go to when the sun rises at 7:30am and sets at 5:00pm
and the outside temps can drop many degrees below zero
Its a trade off. My family wanted me to retire in PA, but my joints shut down in cold and we have the greatest weather here in AZ during the winter. I'll probably have solar installed to take advantage of the full sun so I can run the AC without being burdened with the electric cost.

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Its a trade off. My family wanted me to retire in PA, but my joints shut down in cold and we have the greatest weather here in AZ during the winter. I'll probably have solar installed to take advantage of the full sun so I can run the AC without being burdened with the electric cost.
My old neighbors moved down to AZ near phoenix a couple years ago and claim that it's an amazing place to live. I talked to them a couple weeks ago to see what they were up to and they told me that they have been staying indoors because it's too hot out to do anything. Sounds amazing indeed.
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My old neighbors moved down to AZ near phoenix a couple years ago and claim that it's an amazing place to live. I talked to them a couple weeks ago to see what they were up to and they told me that they have been staying indoors because it's too hot out to do anything. Sounds amazing indeed.
LOL Yes its hot, but I'm OK as long as the humidity is low. I usually wear one of those cooling cloths soaked in water around my neck. Most people are snow birds come down in the winter and head north in the summer. I may eventually do the same someday, but right now I'm enjoying not having leg and joint pain, I liked living in Southern CA, but the crime is just so bad now and the people there have all gone insane.

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If you live in a sunshine state then solar is the way to go.
Here in UK, my son says he has cut power bills to the bone with solar cells and a Tesla battery. He is now talking about getting an electric car for his wife. With bright sun and wind the UK has hardly used any coal or oil fired power last couple of months.Some weekends my son is actually paid to take to take power because the wind turbines keep generating. He has a heat pump for his pool and uses this free power to heat the water.
When I worked in the West Indies, many homes had solar power hot water.
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Does the same apply to lithium batteries?

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Does the same apply to lithium batteries?
I would imagine so although my RIDGID 18-Volt Lithium-Ion batteries are doing well. I like the weight and feel of my RIDGID Cordless Drill so I tend to use it the most, but I don't remember how often I charge them.

I usually have to charge my DEWALT 18-Volt XRP NiCd Batteries at least twice a day

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Even with just the 2 of us we have found an extra refrigerator in the garage is worth having. Full size units are not terribly expensive, small units, especially RV types can be really expensive for what you get.
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I would imagine so although my RIDGID 18-Volt Lithium-Ion batteries are doing well. I like the weight and feel of my RIDGID Cordless Drill so I tend to use it the most, but I don't remember how often I charge them.

I usually have to charge my DEWALT 18-Volt XRP NiCd Batteries at least twice a day
It's been a while since I've done any research on battery types, but I vaguely recall that higher temps were a problem for Li-Ion, and not so much for NiCd. On the other hand, high temps certainly don't make them better.



One thing with any battery, is to make sure you're not storing them on the charger. That's the quickest way to shorten any battery life, no matter how good the charger.


As for cooling, one thing you could look into is a small wine chiller. They'll keep you below ambient temp, without getting them too cold. I've been trying to find a cheap used one for preventing bread from going bad as fast in the summer months without putting it in the refrigerator to get hard/dry.
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One thing with any battery, is to make sure you're not storing them on the charger. That's the quickest way to shorten any battery life, no matter how good the charger.
My DEWALT Charger says it has circuity to prevent over charging and that its better to store the batteries in it, but I don't because I worry about the heat possibly causing fire.


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As for cooling, one thing you could look into is a small wine chiller. They'll keep you below ambient temp, without getting them too cold. I've been trying to find a cheap used one for preventing bread from going bad as fast in the summer months without putting it in the refrigerator to get hard/dry.
A small wine chiller sounds like a good idea and probably not too expensive to run. Last night I stumbled upon a YouTube video while looking for some completely different of a guy that had a Solar Mini Split Air Conditioner for his camper trailer and I'm going to look into this. I'm always skeptical on these solar videos because I've tried some of these devices and they failed drastically. I don't want to waste my time or money, but it would be perfect if I can find one that works to cool my shop all day.


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My DEWALT Charger says it has circuity to prevent over charging and that its better to store the batteries in it,
It pisses me off hearing stories like this, especially the "better" part. Under what justification would it be "better"? Yeah, better, because the profit margin on replacement batteries is higher than the original sale.
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It pisses me off hearing stories like this, especially the "better" part. Under what justification would it be "better"? Yeah, better, because the profit margin on replacement batteries is higher than the original sale.
I tend to agree with you. So much deception to get your money

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