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post #21 of 36 Old 10-15-2015, 06:08 AM
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Simply there is no perfect house out there unless you build it yourself, know the neighborhood well, and even then, you will find things you wish you would have done differently.
It sounds like you will be taking on a project, no matter how you go about it IF you want specific things.

Simply everyones desires and needs are different.
I've been an architect and in the building trades for 35 years. and when we sit down to design a home, it never ends up "Just as the owner wanted" because they cannot visualize their desires, finances get in the way, and they spend too much time watching shows like This Old House and reading House Beautiful.
So in the end, 99% of all clients I've dealt with don't get 100% of what they want. Reality is that homeowners have about a 3rd grade education in construction. I've had a client ask me what a 2" x 4" was. That cued me in on how to deal with said client (kindergarten education level).

Bottom line, you won't get what you want and will likely have to compromise your desires for something less that you can work on. Then you can fine tune your desires/needs.
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Since Iíve been looking I noticed a lot of 20x20 garages in the area where I plan to buy a house. I thought that was a little strange because I used to build garages on weekends while I was in college in northern CA and 24 x 24 or larger was standard.

Well I just found out that you do not need a permit for 400 sq ft or smaller in NV. So now Iím wondering if I should build a couple of 20 x 20 shops next to each other. 20x20 might work for my mechanical /welding shop, but Iím not so sure about a wood shop.

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Your cost would be greater building two 400 SF building VS one 800 SF building,
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Your cost would be greater building two 400 SF building VS one 800 SF building,
Yes, but it might be cheaper in the long run if I donít have to pay property taxes on it. I donít know how property taxes are accessed, but the realtors keep telling me that field fences are better because they arenít taxed while chain link fences are so maybe the same rule applies to garages.

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Any structure that changes property value will be accessed. Especially the main house and outbuildings.
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So how is the tax base there????

When I left the Chicago Burbs, I was paying $6000+ for a 1/4 acre lot and a 1500 ft house and 500 ft garage.
Here in the backwoods of N.C. I'm estimated to be paying ~$1000 for 2+ acres and a 1800 sq ft house. (still in the remodeling process here)
Thats 8x the land and a bigger house for 1/6th the tax price.
Also N.C. is toying with the concept of no property taxes like a few of the neighboring states and going with a sales tax increase instead.

For this reason (amongst many) we decided to relocate here.
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So how is the tax base there????
Well there is no income tax in NV so they make it up in sales and gambling taxes and property taxes.

Iím currently looking at a 1911 Sq Ft 10 yr old manufactured house on 1 acre land with 2 car garage and according to Realtor.com the property tax is $969.

Iím not sure what my CA property tax is because my wife pays the bills, but believe she said it was well over $2500 for my 25 yr old 2300 sq ft stucco framed home with tile roof and 3 car garage on 1/4 acre lot.

Anyway I will probably do the permit thing and pay the tax whatever it is just so I donít have insurance problems down the road if something were to happen.

If I build the 25x 60 ft shop like I want, I will probably put in some sort of partition with in the middle anyway just for structural integrity and more wall space for shelves.

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That's not too bad.

We considered Tennessee since the taxes would be nill, and other expenses would also disappear, like income tax.
Instead we chose this area for it's beauty and mix of ethnicities and income brackets. It's a heavily visited tourist area. We moved far enough out of the local cities to avoid high expenses and governmental intrusion.
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A manufactured home is a broad definition of either a mobile home or a modular home. And the distinction in some cases is minor. A modular home won't have axle's, but in every way "could" look just like a mobile home.
I've seen some two story modulars and cape designs that were really nice.

Have you considered the Vegas area?
Lower housing costs and no income tax.
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Whoa ...

How about this ... a new mobile home or manufactured home, maybe a double wide...

An older mobile home, gutted out, reside it and make into a shop. Keep it on the wheels for the next move

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)
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In my dreams my next shop will have a small house attached.
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A manufactured home is a broad definition of either a mobile home or a modular home. And the distinction in some cases is minor. A modular home won't have axle's, but in every way "could" look just like a mobile home.
I've seen some two story modulars and cape designs that were really nice.

Have you considered the Vegas area?
Lower housing costs and no income tax.
The crime is really bad in Vegas unless you can afford to live in an HOA, but I wouldn't live in one even if I could afford it because I just can't stand for anybody telling me what I can and can't do with my own property.

I have to say that after looking at close to 100 manufactured homes and mobile homes in the last couple of months, there is a big difference. For one a manufactured home are made from standard construction lumber and wood siding and gypsum board whereas mobile home are really cheap walls with minimum structural support noted by the very thin walls. The mobile homes are setting on jack stands with skirting around them while the manufactured homes are actually on concrete foundations.

Now this is not always true because there are a lot fake ones and at first I had to get down on my knees and look underneath through the vents to identify what it was. Now I recognize some of the tell-tale signs and can see where someone has tried to hide it. There are also some mobile homes sold as manufactured homes, but after a while you can spot them too.

I was looking for the cost of a real manufactured home to replace a couple of mobile homes that were falling apart because I liked the property and got to see how they build them. I have to say that I was impressed because they are built und factory conditions without getting rained on and assembled with machines without shortcuts from "lazy" workers who just donít care.

The only real down side is that the homes are limited in size and shape so that they can be shipped and have to connected together out in the field. I saw one this weekend was L-shaped and had stucco applied on the oust walls after it was installed on the foundation that looked pretty darn good.

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We just got back from spending a few days in NV looking at 12 places and only two qualified as candidates for our future home.

One was a manufactured home with a large 3 car garage that had a 12íx 25í completely enclosed breezeway between the house and garage. The living area and kitchen were fantastic, but I thought it was a little overpriced. I loved the 1 acre lot and the location, but it had one major flaw. It is in a flood zone and I am required to have flood insurance. I was there while it was raining really hard with flash flood warnings and road closures and the water got right up to the garage doors, but not inside. I think I can fix that buy building a block wall on the uphill side to divert any water toward the road and also put in a large drain pipe in front of the driveway to drain any excess water toward the back lower part of the property which has to be at least 6 to 8 ft lower.

The other house was a real stick built on site with stucco and tile roof. We absolutely love that house and itís not in a flood area. But it does have a problem. Itís a short sale and the owner (or maybe itís the bank not sure) will not sale it under a VA loan. I donít quite have the 20% down payment although Iím close, but then there are lawyerís fees among other fees that I have no idea of are adding an extra $8k to $9k to the asking price. I will be able to cover that after I retire in 3 months, but the place maybe gone or gutted of all its copper by then.


Oh I forgot to mention that a permit to build a garage cost 2 grand which includes soil testing.

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Let me get this right

$2k for a garage permit? I paid $260 for an entire house remod permit here and I estimate my shop (30' x 40') will cost ~$150. Why put up with those kinds of fees and expenses in your retirement years?

Worries of the copper being ripped off? Why are you considering moving once again into a high crime area?
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On the mobile home front, you get what you pay for. Thin walls and mish-mash construction. They can be appointed very nice but have their downsides. I just moved out of one that I spent 2 1/2 years in. It was comfortable and well appointed and had some nice remodeled items (kitch/baths/etc). It served our need for temporary housing until our farmhouse was remodeled.

Next step up is the factory built structures. Yes they are accurately built and well assembled, but there are limitations in sizes and layouts. Changes from the original designs are limited and costly to put in place. They also are generally a box with little deviation from that. They must be trucked and craned in, thus limiting the floor plan layout. You can get a basic structure and appoint it to your own desires (kitchens/baths/flooring/etc. Fireplaces are always metal pre-fab, since masonry units can't be transported. All that said, they are well built, and in many cases far better than custom homes, but also as said, they have limitations.

Personally I prefer custom. You are not locked into pre-fab designs. Lighting and addition wings are as you want them. There is a cost to all of that, however. Add ~30% to the overall price.
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Well the permit is only a one-time fee per project and can be reduced by doing everything at once, but that’s one of the ways they get by without income tax. I guess another is tickets because my realtor said it cost him$2600 for a speeding ticket.

The copper stealing is everywhere and the only way to stop that is to throw all the owners of Salvage Company’s in jail because they are the biggest problem. As long as they are paying for the stuff, the criminals are going to continue to steal it.

I don’t mind living in a box because its less maintenance cheaper to heat and cool, plus I don’t have to deal with as many roof problems. I can replace a straight composition roof myself and there is no way I can fix a tile roof with valleys and dormer’s all over the place.

Anyway I don’t care about looks only the practical side as long as it’s clean. I just don’t want to deal with mold, dry rot or any of the other problem cause by custom roof designs. My wife thinks differently and likes the custom look, but I just don't see the point. Shes either in the kitchen, siting in front of the TV or asleep in the bedroom. I'm usually in the garage, out in the yard, in front of the computer, or asleep so I just don't care about looks.

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I didn't realize that state was a "no income tax" state.
That's good. There are tradeoffs I guess.

Wives generally want to make their nests. They want things organized in certain ways and want certain amenities. When I design, I know the wives have the final say about 80% of the time. When it comes to our Man Caves, we are in control (most of the time).

I understand the concept of just wanting a clean and efficient home. No custom.
For myself, since I've been in the business for 35 years, I just can't do that. I've got to design a custom unique setting, but I'm odd that way. Since I can build things like that, I don't get nailed for the added costs. I improvise and work on a minimal budget when I build.
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