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post #1 of 18 Old 12-12-2018, 12:01 PM Thread Starter
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Dealing with rust issues

Heavy fog over the past 3 or 4 mornings is causing me major rust problems and my favorite vise rusted. I have only 3 walls and a roof to keep the rain out, but donít have a clue as to what to do about fog. I only just put it outside a few days ago, but never experienced fog before living in the desert.
I donít understand because it has a roof and I had an old towel thrown over it to keep it clean. It doesnít feel wet although everything else is dripping water. The humidity is about 85% right now, but the sun is supposed to drop it down to 34%.
Iím going to clean all this rust off and I guess Iíll have to paint it, but I canít paint everything. Will WD40 keep the rust off or is there some other way I can cover it to keep the moisture out? I donít really want to put doors on it, but Iím thinking about putting up some old shower curtains tonight to see if that will help.
Oh, is there a rust removal gel that I can just spread over the vice to remove rust without dipping it into something?
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Scotchbrite pad and WD40 should take the rust off. Linseed oil or paste wax on all unpainted surfaces.
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throw an old towel over it and go on to your other projects.

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It was probably more a victim of sweating, the vice was pretty cool and the dew point dropped low enough for the moist air to condense on the vice


Alchymist is right, wax or oil it
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Use a cloth cover

Throw a blanket, towel or other cloth cover over your tools after spraying them with WD40.
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You need a water-repellant coating. I agree with WD-40 ( Water-Displacing formula #40.)
Dampen a folded rag and give everything a good wipe.
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You need a water-repellant coating. I agree with WD-40 ( Water-Displacing formula #40.)
Dampen a folded rag and give everything a good wipe.
WD40 is good for the derusting, and short term protection, but paste wax or linseed oil lasts a lot longer. I've seen mild steel rust after only a week or so in humid confitions when sprayed with WD40.
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that looks to be a Wilton #0 - mine came off a WW2 destroyer going to scrap in the mid-70's.
from an engine room, on a steam drive ship. they are pretty much not fazed by 'moisture'


clean it up, 40 weight wipe.
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that looks to be a Wilton #0 - mine came off a WW2 destroyer going to scrap in the mid-70's.
from an engine room, on a steam drive ship. they are pretty much not fazed by 'moisture'


clean it up, 40 weight wipe.
I've had this vise for 30 years and I got it used. It has never seen this much rust, but has lost some paint over the years from getting banged up. I might take it apart and restore it, but now I'm worried about the rest of my tools. I refused to open the door to my shop in the mornings because I was afraid that moisture would get in and destroy my other stuff like my hand planes or my joiner.

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WD-40 is a cleaner. A dryer of water wet parts. It isn't a lubricant at all and they say so.
But the market place has made up a weird story about what WD40 is supposed to do.
Including the removal of warts. Did you know that?


You want serious lubrication and protection, find a rattle can of Fluid Film.
FF is a foaming industrial lubricant that really keeps things protected.


I agree = a 40W rag wipe can go a long way on tool surfaces.



Door lock mechanisms for my Suburban are $200 each up here, plus labor.
A can of FF turns out to be about $15.00 and last 5+ years.
Spray the key holes once a month. Easy math, yes?
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I had a chain type pipe vise mounted on my truck and I regularly sprayed it with WD40. It still rusted, but not so bad that it was unusable. I imagine the chain would have welded itself together with rust if I hadnít at least done that. The other thing that bothered me was the amount of sand and dust that would stick to the WD40.
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WD40 was a better choice for the chain vise that Fluid Film. Washes better.

That foaming oil+ dirt would have been a nightmare to clean up.


Indoors, I have no real rust problems at all.
I can say that every last surface would get a slop of Fluid Film on a rag
if I thought that my machinery was the least bit threatened.



Up here at 53N, the killer is the winter highway spray crap that hits your hood release mechanism over the engine.
It's half sand and half salt. The latch can sieze up in weeks if you're driving a lot.



You need another pair of hands.
Get the hood open and wash the latch parts with WD40. Lots and lots of it.
Wipe off what's left with shop towels.
Spray the entire latch with Fluid Film and let it drip.

Use lots of it. Don't save it for some other job.
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I am surprised that nobody has mentioned either Boeshield T-9 or Renaissance Wax, which are the products I use to protect my tools from rust. I use Boeshield T-9 on the big power tools, and Renaissance Wax on the small hand tools like chisels.

Boeshield also makes a rust remover, but I have not tried it. When my Starrett combination square set got rust, Starrett recommended green Scotchbrite pads with 3-in-1 oil to remove the rust. The Scotchbrite and 3-in-1 oil worked perfectly. The rust came off easily. I put Renaissance Wax on the combination square parts.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_Wax
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My vote would be to spray it down with some Boeshield.

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Wow...to replace that vice now is over $700.00
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Wow...to replace that vice now is over $700.00
This is exactly why I've been so protective of it. I just recently moved here to AZ and had no idea about the humidity here. I came from the high desert in Southern CA where it never rained and never was humid. I moved to the AZ desert because I thought it would be the same.

I'm just so upset about putting it outside, but I don't have place for it right now. I'm probably going to have to put in a box and bring it inside. I had another large vise from Harbor Freight that I kept outside in CA, but I gave it to my neighbor before I moved.

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It was probably more a victim of sweating, the vice was pretty cool and the dew point dropped low enough for the moist air to condense on the vice


Alchymist is right, wax or oil it



Since I can't edit my post anymore, I was backwards describing tool sweating, the tool is cold then some hot humid air hits it and it sweats like a pig


I really notice it on tractors and heavy chunks of iron, on the tractors you can even see the fluid level in the tires.


I keep my woods shop air conditioned or heated to stop it from sweating inside
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I removed the vise from the bench and happy to report that there isn't any rust on the inside although it looks like it starting as I look at it.
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