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post #21 of 28 Old 03-30-2019, 07:43 PM
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Simply Awesome...!!!...Thanks for sharing all those photos!!!

And I love that Snapper!!! Folks just don't know what great pets they can actully make. I had several growing up, including and "Alligator Snapper"...all of them became "hand tame" and extremely responsive to those family members they new...

Look forward to following along on this and other projects you share!!!

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Looks good. The doors may become a problem unless a means of allowing movement was built in. I can see cleats on the back. If they are rigidly attached any change in moisture is going to put a lot of stress on the door faces. Construction lumber may also present movement issues. If you use RTV silicone sealant be sure to paint/finish the wood first. Epoxy, polyester or urethane resin coatings are pretty water resistant but when the wood moves small gaps are created. The best way for the RTV silicone to still seal after movement is to have a thick enough gap for the silicone to have enough material to stretch or compress and still not pull loose. Some of the 2 component urethane caulks on the market have more elasticity than the silicones.
For the exterior finish, if you use synthetic resin based, the full gloss versions will be the most durable. That is how all the formulations start out. Flatting agents are then added to get whatever gloss level they want. I think all the flatting agents result in a less "hard" I. E. durable finish. We keep some flatting agents on hand when we absolutely have to produce a dead flat finish, hate to do that. Not to worry though. You can dull the gloss finishes by abrasively "scratching" the face. Scotch Bright or similar pads can do that. So can some of the buffing compounds sold for automotive finishes. Start with very fine and work up if you need to. If this is something you've never done, do tests. You can get a very even finish with a spray gun and proper viscosity. It takes practice! If you have to brush finish, check to see if flow enhancers are available for your product. You will need to go to a place that sells "to the trade," NOT big box stores!!! We have a commercial account with one of the big finish companies. They sell things through those outlets that are not available in their retail stores. Some of those things require "moon" suites, which is probably why they aren't sold at retail.
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Your frame looks strong enough (for the most part) to me...Its well shy of weight a ton (??) and I have it calculated (total weight) at about 1350 lb give or take 100 lbs.

I would ask that if you know at this time:

Your point load restrictions in the floor frame under the tank fully set up?

What type of flooring will be under it?

Is it a corner setting?

Will it be wall attached?

Does the back of the stand have a solid attached ply backing or some other diaphragm resistant to racking?

Yours set up looks like it might be for saline, but you wrote its for "a large fish"...What do you plan on putting in the tank?

What lighting and filtration system are you going with?

I can't wait for my next project in this realm!!! I'm really excited with the break through in LED systems and plan on using one of the Kessil systems!

Again...great job!!!
Your frame looks strong enough (for the most part) to me...Its well shy of weight a ton (??) and I have it calculated (total weight) at about 1350 lb give or take 100 lbs. I have it calculated that I could handle at least 3,000 lbs with ease. It is wrapped in 3/4" Pine Plywood and I am going to have an X Brace Going across the back of the stand.

I would ask that if you know at this time:

Your point load restrictions in the floor frame under the tank fully set up?

What type of flooring will be under it? Hard Wood Flooring

Is it a corner setting? It is not set in the corner but it is very well supported in the basement. I have had tanks for 25+ years and the floor joists for this house are more than sufficient. When we move to our forever house in about 12-18 months we are going to build something amazing. The main thing stopping me from going 1000+ Gallons in size here is maintenance and water changes. I just don't have the time and the house is just not setup for it. We are getting married in October 2019 and our lease is up spring of 2020 so we will find a nice place with lots of land and we are going to build some amazing things. Indoor Pond for our turtles and a huge few thousand gallon tank for our fish. THe main thing is setting up the plumbing so that water changes are automated. Carrying 5 gallon buckets through the house is annoying now. Imagine at 25x the current volume, I would go crazy.

Will it be wall attached? No I never attach tanks to the walls. I always make sure the tank is level and I need to leave room for filtration and whatnot. As long as the stand is level and well built I have never had a problem.

Does the back of the stand have a solid attached ply backing or some other diaphragm resistant to racking? the back does not. Can you elaborate on this?

Yours set up looks like it might be for saline, but you wrote its for "a large fish"...What do you plan on putting in the tank?
We have in the last few months purchased a baby Arowana, 2 Baby Oscars, Baby Redtail Catfish & Baby Albino Pacu Piranha. The Arowana will get 3+ feet in the right tank, Oscars 15"+, Redtail Catfish 4+ feet in the right tank and the Pacu will get 36"+ and 40+ lbs. I have always had to rehome fish when they got too large. I am finally in a place financially where I can give them what they need. Once we move, the sky is the limit.

What lighting and filtration system are you going with?
I have a 6ft LED Lighting System & Fluval FX6 Filter & Penn Plax Cascade 1500 Canister Filter. That should be more thsn enough filtration.

I cannot wait to get this new tank setup. The last things to do are to reseal the glass aquarium, rinse the sand and finish the canopy. Currently the Fluval FX6 and Cascade 1500 are hooked up to other aquariums getting cycled so that when I am ready the filters will be full cycled already and I wont have to wait to add fish.

One question I have for all you guys. What do you think I should do so that the canopy front can be opened or removed? Any Suggestions or Input? I was thinking a Piano Style Hinge on the front of the canopy. I am leaning against a removable piece as it will be at least 6 feet long and over the back of the couch. I am thinking of something that opens and stays open until I pull it closed. Any idea on how to achieve this?

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...It is wrapped in 3/4" Pine Plywood and I am going to have an X Brace Going across the back of the stand....
Excellent...!!!...


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...Hard Wood Flooring...
Excellent...again...

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...It is not set in the corner but it is very well supported in the basement. I have had tanks for 25+ years and the floor joists for this house are more than sufficient. When we move to our forever house in about 12-18 months we are going to build something amazing. The main thing stopping me from going 1000+ Gallons in size here is maintenance and water changes. I just don't have the time and the house is just not setup for it. We are getting married in October 2019 and our lease is up spring of 2020 so we will find a nice place with lots of land and we are going to build some amazing things. Indoor Pond for our turtles and a huge few thousand gallon tank for our fish. THe main thing is setting up the plumbing so that water changes are automated. Carrying 5 gallon buckets through the house is annoying now. Imagine at 25x the current volume, I would go crazy. ...
My Mother (and latter room mates) would scream at me for all the "hoses" running all over the house...LOL......Buckets don't get the job done do they...

Congratulations on the marriage and finding a new home too!!!

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...No I never attach tanks to the walls. I always make sure the tank is level and I need to leave room for filtration and whatnot. As long as the stand is level and well built I have never had a problem. ...
Me neither...tying to walls, shimming with pads under tanks and all those kinds of "fixes" and "jury rigging" speaks to me as bad design and/or set up...It's not that I haven't applied them, but they are always a "temporary fix" and/or me saving a bad situation from getting worse...usually in someone else's folly...

Your system approach thus far seems excellent to me...

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...Does the back of the stand have a solid attached ply backing or some other diaphragm resistant to racking? the back does not. Can you elaborate on this? ...
No need Joshua...

Your placing "X-Bracing" in the back is a perfect solution...

If it can't be seen(?), I will often employ Simpson Tie Strapping (down and dirty easy to get) in an "X" pattern or a Dyneema webbing (my first choice.) This soft webbing is an excellent way to add a "tension brace system," vs a "compression brace system" which is less efficient and strong typically than a tension system...When on a budget (almost always...LOL!!!) this is a great system to add stiffening to a design, and its profile is actually slim enough to be hidden inside woodworking...Another big plus for sure!!!

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...We have in the last few months purchased a baby Arowana, 2 Baby Oscars, Baby Redtail Catfish & Baby Albino Pacu Piranha. The Arowana will get 3+ feet in the right tank, Oscars 15"+, Redtail Catfish 4+ feet in the right tank and the Pacu will get 36"+ and 40+ lbs. I have always had to rehome fish when they got too large. I am finally in a place financially where I can give them what they need. Once we move, the sky is the limit. ...
Joshua...!!!...You have to stay in touch man...

Those are all great fish for a young family to grow up around...I am especially fond of the Red Tails. They can develope such personalities...but then again (?)...so do the Pacu and Oscars...

Sounds like you need a "swim tank" for you and the family pets...I have designed and built a few of those over the years. If you do the work yourself, they aren't as $$$$ if having the work done...Of course the least expensive ones are "out side" natural systems. Those are becoming more and more popular with folks even up North, as then just a "winter housing tank" is required for colder months for some species...

I've also noted that "domestic exotics" are being kept by many also, though the practice is controversial because folks worry about escapes of none state native species. Hasn't stopped a few from keeping Flat Heads, Wels, Alligator Gar, etc. I vacillate on this myself between environmental concerns and "freedom" within the pet trade for those that are responsible owners being punished for the practices of "idiots!!!" Then again (LOL...) The biggest Pacu, and Oscar (among a few others!) I have seen were in canals in Miami County Florida...


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...I have a 6ft LED Lighting System & Fluval FX6 Filter & Penn Plax Cascade 1500 Canister Filter. That should be more thsn enough filtration. ...
Great system and I agree, no worries there from my perspective on keeping the water crisp!

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...I cannot wait to get this new tank setup. The last things to do are to reseal the glass aquarium, rinse the sand and finish the canopy. Currently the Fluval FX6 and Cascade 1500 are hooked up to other aquariums getting cycled so that when I am ready the filters will be full cycled already and I wont have to wait to add fish...
Brilliant...Your front loading the system biologically...Obviously not your "First Rodeo"...LOL...

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One question I have for all you guys. What do you think I should do so that the canopy front can be opened or removed? Any Suggestions or Input? I was thinking a Piano Style Hinge on the front of the canopy. I am leaning against a removable piece as it will be at least 6 feet long and over the back of the couch. I am thinking of something that opens and stays open until I pull it closed. Any idea on how to achieve this? ...
I'm not fond of offering "design spec's" without seeing the system in person or at least a CAD of the design...

I will offer a few "stabs in the dark" from past examples I have used and like...in order of favorites...

1. Just make a large door area, and instead of using a hing at all, just use a really small nib magnet on the top corners and maybe on in the center bottom. You will have to experiment just a bit with these if you haven't designed with them before, but they are a great fix for all types of challenges in design...They are kind of a "trade secret" with many and how to use them well...

2. Nice sliding panels that I make myself usually in one of the many 網代 Ajiro Styles is a very close to first but goes second. The door-panel I have in mind for all of these is usually in the Ajiro Styles in my designs or a textile often. They slide nicely and/or can just be "popped" up and out if one wishes. They are an excellent (and tradtional) analogy solution to this challenge...

3. I'm not a fan of "piano hinges" in general as the rust and the stainless steel versions (if you can find them?) are expensive. However, I love the concept of them and make my own out of Dyneema webbing that last forever, are water/oxidation proof and again, make a nice long support hinge...

Those are my "top picks" for you query...Let me know if I can expand on any of them...

Thanks again for sharing your project with all of us!!!

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So I take it you like fish just a little bit eh. Beautiful tanks you have there.
As far as the cabinet door you could use regular hinges with gas struts in the corners. Something like whats on this page here https://www.amazon.com/Cabinet-Strut...77014493&psc=1

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Thank you for the information on the gas struts. That is actually one of the possibilities I have been thinking about me. I’m contemplating putting a door in the front or having one of the sides be completely removable and held on with magnetic connections. It’s also going to be extremely lightweight so if I ever have anything to do inside the tank I can always remove it. I do Use a gravel vacuum on my tank at least once a week so that needs to be easily achieved. Also the light that I have is 6 feet long so I need to be able to take that out and replace it if ever needed. I should have this whole tank completely set up in about 7-10 days at the most. I will post pictures of my progress The next time I work on it. Hopefully I will get a chance this evening. Have a good day Everyone!
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Looks great!

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Havent had much time at all. Started on the canopy but nowhere near done yet.. Here are some updates for now.



more to come soon!
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