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Golden Sprial

Prototype Golden Spiral box. Build for NIL.
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wow - awesome craftsmanship !! very well done.

the Nautilus is one of my favorite shells and with some creative
staining (or diluted paints), you could make your project look just like it.
well done ! (hope you post photos of the finished project).
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Very nice design! I also thought "nautilus" when I saw it.

I have some similar projects going, with tight, bandsaw-made curves like that. Not bandsaw boxes, though.

-> How do you sand the insides of those tight spirals? I can sand across the grain just fine, but how do you sand along the inside of those tight curves WITH the grain?
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wow - awesome craftsmanship !! very well done.

the Nautilus is one of my favorite shells and with some creative
staining (or diluted paints), you could make your project look just like it.
well done ! (hope you post photos of the finished project).
Attachment 383127.
Yes, the shells. The naturally occurring Golden Curve.
Derived from the Fibonacci sequence.
Phi...the golden number.
It occurs all over in nature.

This is just a prototype box....to get the feel of what I am really trying to do.
The plan for a finished box is more attuned to the actual geometry of the curve
and the x/y axis and squares that create it.
I had not thought about trying to make it look like the shell.

Thanks! Food for thought.
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Very nice design!

-> How do you sand the insides of those tight spirals? I can sand across the grain just fine, but how do you sand along the inside of those tight curves WITH the grain?

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Sanding....here's what I'm thinking about that. I can sand up into the curve to
1/2" w/drum on the ShopSmith. Built my own 7" drum sanders just for sanding
the bigger parts of boxes. Works really well.

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The tight part of the curve use fine sand paper on a thin strip of wood
across the grain. The finest part of the curve.....just clean up the edges.
At about the 3/8" gap you can't really see anything anyway.

Only nerdy wood workers are going to looking for sanding marks up in there.
....and then they're going to be thinking ...." bet'cha trying to sand that was a beach."

Plan for the next box is to use 3/8" veneer front and back. What I'm thinking is
use double sided tape to fit the front/back to the core blank. Cut out the outside shape.
Stop the fine inside cut where the spiral is about 1/4" wide. Remove the back. Cut out the
drawers. Remove the front from the blank. Then, on the scroll saw, cut the fine part
of the curve on the veneer where I can use a really fine blade. Clean up the inside of the blank
on the band saw...but only enough to look like it is all the way through.

.the best laid plan.
Thoughts.....
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Great idea and craftsmanship. Yes, I would like to see this when your through with it. I hope you will keep posting things you make.

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so....taking a cutting board and turning it into a bandsaw box
is not as easy as it looks. ....but.....makes for some interesting
problem solving.

Double sided tape worked great to get the veneers and blank cut.
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Doing the fine cutting on the veneers on the scroll saw worked well.

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Exposed biscuits are a problem.

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Used a larger pullout w/a tray and hidden drawer instead of two
smaller drawers. Like it much better.

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...ever wonder what those biscuits look like.....
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Interesting... I have never used biscuits on a cutting board glue up. I just edge glue after running the pieces over the jointer.

Can't wait to see the finished piece!

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Always interesting to see you latest projects, keep it up.

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Making progress. Problem solving can be....the real fun in doing a project.
Have made some unusual "repairs".
Created false sides to cover up the biscuits in the tray.

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Used epoxy w/saw dust to fix the edges where biscuits show.

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Just left the biscuits to show when you look inside the case at the back.

I really hope that some day.....way past my time here in time and space....
a discerning wood worker will examine this box carefully. He will find some
very strange anomalies and scratch his head and wonder .....why? ...and how?

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..oh, new cutting board in the works. Hickory/walnut/hard maple/purple heart.

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I finally brought the Golden spiral box to fruition.
If nothing else, it is a unique box and I doubt there will ever
be another one like it. It will head out into the world next week.
Thoughts.....
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I'm curious....I get no comments on these posts.

I'm was hoping for somekind of feed back on this work.
Different eyes have different perspectives.....
leads to new ideas....
ways to improve.

...any thoughts, comments, suggestions welcome.
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I liked the prototype, the multi wood, is to fancy for my tastes. Either way very nice craftmanship. The hidden drawer was a nice touch.
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This is the first time I have ever said anything negative about a project but you asked

I think the simplicity of the form and shape is very pleasing to the eye. To me personally, the patterns you added are quite dizzying and I'm sure others opinions will differ significantly. I just like simplicity.

Also wanted to comment on the biscuits. They are absolutely not necessary when gluing long grain to long grain as in that cutting board. Just take your time gluing up and dont use too much glue and the pieces wont slide around when glueing-up. I dont actually measure the glue thickness, but I believe the recommended thickness is about 1 or 2 thousandths of an inch.

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I liked the prototype, the multi wood, is to fancy for my tastes. Either way very nice craftmanship. The hidden drawer was a nice touch.
Thanks! for your thoughts.
It is kind of "busy" for my taste also....but
it was built on a whim. ...as so many of my things are.
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This is the first time I have ever said anything negative about a project but you asked

I think the simplicity of the form and shape is very pleasing to the eye. To me personally, the patterns you added are quite dizzying and I'm sure others opinions will differ significantly. I just like simplicity.

Also wanted to comment on the biscuits. They are absolutely not necessary when gluing long grain to long grain as in that cutting board. Just take your time gluing up and dont use too much glue and the pieces wont slide around when glueing-up. I dont actually measure the glue thickness, but I believe the recommended thickness is about 1 or 2 thousandths of an inch.

Please don't take my criticism personally.
Tony B, glad I could be the first negative comment.
It's ok. I will get over it.
Now, when you say the patterns...are you talking about the wood
lay out or the drawers?
The biscuits....I just got a slot cutter for my router and wanted to try it.
I am also a bit of an over engineer. So, point taken.
Thanks! for your thoughts. It's all good.
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When I talk about the patterns, I am referring to the striped cutting board.
I love the shape. If it were me, I would stain it (the original Pine) somewhat medium dark, but not too dark and a semi-gloss finish. The shape of the nautilus and drawer cut lines speak for themselves. I feel like that is all you need.

If you really want to hide the backside with the all the exposed biscuits, just cover it with a thin veneer - either purchased or with the pine glued over it.
BTW, great workmanship and what a gift it will make.

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When I talk about the patterns, I am referring to the striped cutting board.
I love the shape. If it were me, I would stain it (the original Pine) somewhat medium dark, but not too dark and a semi-gloss finish. The shape of the nautilus and drawer cut lines speak for themselves. I feel like that is all you need.

If you really want to hide the backside with the all the exposed biscuits, just cover it with a thin veneer - either purchased or with the pine glued over it.
BTW, great workmanship and what a gift it will make.
Thanks!
Like I said, this box was contrived out of the abyss of my imagination.
The connection from the board to the spiral is the layout of the wood in the board.
The end grain pieces form the x/y axis that is the same lay out of the squares that
build the spiral.

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I get it that not many people will see that....but this box is going to a
math wiz. She will probably see it right away.

I did have to create some faux sides to cover the biscuits in the tray.

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I left them on the inside of the box just as a curiosity factor.
Just another strange characteristic of the this box.
It will always be one of a kind.

Thanks! for your thoughts.
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If you don't mind my asking, how did you get the woodgrain patterns to flow like this? I found this to be the most pleasing part of the box, as well as the overall nautilis shape.
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If you don't mind my asking, how did you get the woodgrain patterns to flow like this? I found this to be the most pleasing part of the box, as well as the overall nautilis shape.


I don't mind. Ask away.
As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by just watching."
The core is pieces of 1x8 pine. When I get ready to laminate them
together, I set them on the sides and observe the end grain patterns. I try to arrange
them for what will look nice. You never really know till it comes off the saw
how it is going to look. This end grain pattern is exactly why I choose to use
pine instead of plywood or such for cores. It's interesting. ....and easy to work.
Thanks! for your observation.
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