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Cut out around the flaw, fill it with a contrasting wood, and chisel your initials and the date into the contrasting wood. Now it's a feature!
I love this! I have some purpleheart scraps that are just about the right thickness. Now if I can only fix the mistake without making it worse.

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Anthony, You will do just fine.
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Whew!

Well, yesterday morning's screw-up has been trumped by this morning's triumph. It was nerve wracking, but I think it turned out pretty darn good. Assuming this was the hard part of the fix.

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Here is my shame. An errant mallet blow that took out a chunk of my shiny new bench top.

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My top is made up of laminated 1x4s (so 3/4" thickness). I set the depth of my marking gauge to 3/4 also...figured that would be the cleanest way to do this. Laid out my lines with a pencil, then traced with a marking knife.

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Took my time with a newly sharpened 1/2" chisel and went to work. I finished off the bottom with the router plane. I gouged my chisel into the back wall a few times on purpose, just to mar it up a bit. Figured I would make a sacrifice to the jinx gods for allowing me to get through this without messing it up.

Just as I finished this up, the post office delivered my vise (I love Amazon Prime). I will probably set this repair (new feature!) aside for now and work on getting the vise mounted this afternoon.
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Vise installed...

This was more of a pain than I thought it would be. Took notes while watching Paul's video on the installation, then did a bit of my own figuring due to my top being thicker. I used an oscillating tool to cut the opening. You definitely want to at least lay the bench on its side - upside down would be more ideal. This vise weighs about 35 pounds, so it's not easy to move around.

I have some maple to add to the jaws. I'd like to add a piece of leather, but I have no idea what to get. Some advice would be appreciated.
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Anthony, I would use the same wood as the top for the repair, gluing with epoxy. If you use epoxy...dam it with cellophane packaging tape to prevent leaks while setting. It will be easily removed after it sets, epoxy bonds well, even on the end grain. then plane /scrape/sand flush. Nice job by the way preparing the repair.


As far as the leather, deer skin works nice, but any flexible leather works good. Another thing that works good is cork (comes in a roll at Michaels) and can be spray adhesive to the wood jaws.


I bet your starting to get real excited now!
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If you have a local leatherworker, see if they have any scraps about the right size that you can buy cheap. There's a store near where my parents used to live that did custom leatherwork, and their scrap-bin was fantastic.
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I'll have to add the leather to my wish list for now, as there isn't anything local. Would this work?

I was going to ask about dog holes tonight, but got sidetracked going down that rabbit hole myself. Chris Schwarz seems to be an authority on the subject, so I may end up doing something like he suggests. Need to give it some more thought before I start poking holes everywhere.

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I'll have to add the leather to my wish list for now, as there isn't anything local. Would this work?

I was going to ask about dog holes tonight, but got sidetracked going down that rabbit hole myself. Chris Schwarz seems to be an authority on the subject, so I may end up doing something like he suggests. Need to give it some more thought before I start poking holes everywhere.
Have any Hobby Lobby's around you? They have bags of scrap leather for cheap.
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I'll have to add the leather to my wish list for now, as there isn't anything local. Would this work?

I was going to ask about dog holes tonight, but got sidetracked going down that rabbit hole myself. Chris Schwarz seems to be an authority on the subject, so I may end up doing something like he suggests. Need to give it some more thought before I start poking holes everywhere.
I don't see why it wouldn't. I don't currently have a leather face on my vise (mostly through laziness, rather than any actual decision-making), but that looks like it's similar to what I used. I found it worked better with the rough side touching the work.

I'm not sure if Chris Schwarz is an authority, but he's definitely written a lot about dog holes. I found this to be a good explanation of one idea of how to place them.
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Anthony, The leather solution: https://www.theenglishwoodworker.com...-to-buy-a-cow/


And: https://www.theenglishwoodworker.com/get-a-grip/



Holdfasts: https://www.theenglishwoodworker.com...h-workholding/


These links are from the experts who only do hand woodworking in the traditional way.

My personal suggestion is to try to consider all the possible positions that you would use your holdfasts, and other accessories that use dog holes...prior to drilling the dog holes. In my woodworking, I often use a bench stop that is 1/4" in height that has two 3/4" pegs glued in that fit into two dog holes when used. This type of bench stop works well when planning a board diagonally (kinda like a fence that is 1/4" tall). It allows the plane to pass over it without hitting it. This type of bench stop is using two dog holes at the same time so...the spacing of my dog holes had to be the same distance apart to use them at different locations along the bench.

This is the spacing jig used to get the proper spacing for holes spaced 8" apart (although the spacing should be what you want). The spacing jig is made by gluing 2 pieces of plywood together, then drilling (3/4") evenly spaced holes at the drill press, then gluing a dowel that extends below the jig.

To use the spacing jig I set the peg into an existing dog hole in the bench, clamp it to the bench, then drill through the jig holes to get the spacing of the dog holes the same distance apart...And in a straight line.
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Thanks for the advice, guys! I came across this gem today:


Turns out, Roy Underhill's bench hooks double as a holdfast when clamped up in the face vice for mortising (about 2:30 into the video). Like granddad used to say, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I'm definitely going to give this a shot before drilling an extra hole in my bench.

Watching this brought back so many memories. I remember coming home from school and always watching The Woodwright's Shop with Roy Underhill on PBS. I was shocked to learn that his show is still on the air after 37 years. When I first started on this journey, I remember joking with my wife that I needed to get a pair of red suspenders and a newsie cap.
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I have never seen a bench hook used in a vise as a hold fast before. Thanks for the insight.
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Finishing touches...

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Added some hard maple faces to my vice. Now I just need to add some leather, and it's a done deal.

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On the left, you can see that I finally got around to patching up my mallet mishap with a piece of purpleheart. I went back and forth on what to do here, but in the end I decided to go with a little flair. I worked on this small chunk of wood for two days and used calipers to get it to fit just right. No clamps needed - it's wedged in there pretty good and sitting proud about 1/32" for planing after the glue dries. I'll eventually sign and date it with a fine tipped paint marker.

Also, you probably noticed the Gramercy Tools holdfasts. $40 for 2 is a good price and I've read a lot of good things about them. A 6 1/2" reach (13" radius) is a bit odd for hole spacing, so I'll need to do some experimenting to figure that part out.
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Also, you probably noticed the Gramercy Tools holdfasts. $40 for 2 is a good price.
That's a very good price!
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I love my Gramercy holdfasts! The price is good, and the quality is excellent.

The "patch" looks fantastic: well done.
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Just my 2 cents but I really like the purple heart inset. Gives it that personal touch and you have a story behind it, how a mistake can be turned into a plus.
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That's one thing I do have nearby - Harbor Freight. Assuming some contact cement would be good to attach this with? Guess I never really paid attention to how Paul does it.

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Anthony, I use rolled cork from michaels (1/8" thick). Spray adhesive to the wooden jaws. I use it because it is easily replaced by planning it off. Since 2001 I have replaced the cork on my vice only once...in 2016. Works well for me.

If I used leather...I might cut a narrow slot and use a piece of cord, and sandwich the leather between the wood jaw and the vice jaw, to allow the leather to drape over the top and down between the jaws. Just a thought. You may want to research it. You can ask Paul thru email at his web site https://woodworkingmasterclasses.com/ and he will respond. (I had a question about sharpening a rip saw and he responded in about 2 days).
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The more I think about it, the more I like the cork. Seems like it would be a lot less fuss overall.

Not much progress to report - which sucks. Awhile back, I bought a set of El Cheapo auger bits from Harbor Freight. I hoped that maybe the 3/4" would be good enough to use for the dog holes on my bench, but nope. Used the bit to drill a couple holes in one of the bench legs last night to store the holdfasts, and it was a pretty rough cut. Wasn't horrible, but I certainly wouldn't want them on my bench top. Ordered the Wood Owl auger bit I keep hearing so much about.

This weekend, I plan on making some jigs. A bench hook, probably another shooting board or two. Maybe get a better idea of where I need my holes so that I finish up this bench and get some BLO on it.

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