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rbk123 04-13-2013 08:17 AM

R4512 and Saw Stop cast iron wings as an upgrade
 
I got a set of the Saw Stop cast iron wings to put on my R4512 and finally put them on yesterday. It was a fun project that I got to work with my Old Man on. The SS wings are a 4 bolt pattern and the Ridgid is a 3; we eventually opted to drill and tap the R4512 to a 4 bolt pattern and here's how it worked out.

Starting out with the OEM setup:
http://imageshack.us/a/img195/4962/startinga.jpg




Back rail removed
http://imageshack.us/a/img515/9884/backrailremoveda.jpg





Starting with the left wing
http://imageshack.us/a/img822/3424/s...heleftwing.jpg




Here are the old and new wings. The SS wing is about 1.5-2MM shorter in length than the R4512's table, however they are about 3-4" wider than the stamped steel wings so that was a bonus.
http://imageshack.us/a/img694/8602/oldwingnewwinga.jpg




Pops is a retired machinist so this was like riding a bike for him...
http://imageshack.us/a/img820/994/tappinga.jpg




Deburring the tappings. One thing about tapping on the left side is the iron filings could fall into the the motor cover, so we covered the vents so that wouldn't happen.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/2047/deburringa.jpg




1 side is finished.
http://imageshack.us/a/img94/8688/1sidefinisheda.jpg





The left side middle 2 bolts are potentially problematic as you can't get an allen wrench in to tighten them. They are sandwiched by the motor housing below and the castings from the wing above. By switching to a hex head, I was able to get a socket with a flex-t handle in there no problem. Now it's as tight as can be.
http://imageshack.us/a/img132/7083/middleboltsa.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/8008/middlebolts2am.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img202/1084/flexthandle2a.jpg





The right side was a piece of cake. Just 4 more holes in rapid succession and there was nothing in the way of the allen bolts. Here's the final product.
http://imageshack.us/a/img823/3504/finalproducta.jpg

The last thing I'll do is put a formica extension on the right wing/end of the fence but I won't get to that for a little while.

woodnthings 04-13-2013 08:31 AM

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knotscott 04-13-2013 08:50 AM

That's a great upgrade to your saw. I know steel wings "work just fine", but I heavily prefer solid cast wings....they're smoother and heavier. Nice job.

Nice job with the photo essay too! (thanks for resizing them!) :thumbsup:

Question....what's going on at the back of the insert?

rbk123 04-13-2013 09:04 AM

Woodn - I had to get my html worked out. You replied while I was still trouble-shooting. :)

toolguy1000 04-13-2013 10:09 AM

that's a really nice modification. it will add vibration dampening mass to the saw. and it looks just great. nicely done!

just curious. the SS wings were 4 holes, the 4512, 3 holes. any reason for opting to drill and tap 8 holes in the CI top as opposed to drilling fewer holes in the CI wings and not having to tap anything ?

rbk123 04-13-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by knotscott (Post 466692)
Question....what's going on at the back of the insert?

Scott - not sure I understand what you're asking. If you mean behind the ZCI then it's either the riving knife or the little swail in the table top that Ridgid puts on their 4512's. I assume that I'm off in what your looking for but I'm a bit stumped.

rbk123 04-13-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by toolguy1000 (Post 466725)
just curious. the SS wings were 4 holes, the 4512, 3 holes. any reason for opting to drill and tap 8 holes in the CI top as opposed to drilling fewer holes in the CI wings and not having to tap anything ?

Well...... that was the original plan when I ordered them site unseen. I figured the SS is 4 holes, the table is 3, just drill 3 holes in each wing and I'm done. Unfortunately after getting them it wasn't going to be so simple (story of my life).
- in the middle of the wing is a large half circle casting (see pic below) making drilling there impossible; so now if I do 3 holes, the distribution will be noticeable uneven
- then on the back end of the wing, SS has 2 pre-drilled holes of different sizes and offsets. I can only assume some of the older SS tables use 1 hole and the newer tables use another. Unfortunately the back hole for the Ridgid wound up in between them and spanning both, so it was out.
- the front of the wing where it would line up with the front hole on the Ridgid had other issues of it's own on the inside of the wing (see the pic below)

In the end, the 4 new holes in the table were clear of the 3 existing and any other irregularities, plus I like the added strength of the even 4-bolt distribution.


http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/3718/ci01a.jpg

knotscott 04-13-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rbk123 (Post 466837)
Scott - not sure I understand what you're asking. If you mean behind the ZCI then it's either the riving knife or the little swail in the table top that Ridgid puts on their 4512's. I assume that I'm off in what your looking for but I'm a bit stumped.

It must be the swail you referred to....just never noticed it before.
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toolguy1000 04-13-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by knotscott (Post 466692)
.......Question....what's going on at the back of the insert?

yeah. i haven't seen that on any other 4512s. don't know what that little swale could be for or if other saws have had it and just never noticed it.

rbk123 04-13-2013 05:36 PM

I assume it's for the anti-kickback pawls which touch the table in there. Now every time you see a 4512, that swail is going to stick out like a sore thumb to you. :smile:

trevarthan 01-08-2014 04:38 PM

9 months later... how do you like the cast iron sawstop extensions?

Also, did they come pre-drilled for attaching the fence, or did you have to drill additional holes for that too?

I see that the edges aren't bevelled like the rigid top's edges. Are there any other fit issues? Is the length exactly the same (front to back) or did you have to shim the fence?

These extensions are http://www.amazon.com/SawStop-Cast-Iron-Assembly-CNS-CIWA/dp/B007O6VE6W. Considering it myself. Seems like these wings put the saw in the sawstop contractor saw category (minus the sawstop tech) for $1000 less. Seems like a good deal if you can live with the increased injury risk.

ryan50hrl 01-08-2014 04:52 PM

If you've never looked inside a saw stop....take a look next time you get a chance. They appear to be much much heavier duty internals than a 4512....which makes sense for the shock they're designed to take.

I'd have a hard time saying a 4512 with cast extensions is in the same class as a saw stop.

rbk123 01-08-2014 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by trevarthan (Post 561356)
9 months later... how do you like the cast iron sawstop extensions?
Awesome. Best money I spent for the saw.

Also, did they come pre-drilled for attaching the fence, or did you have to drill additional holes for that too?
They have holes in the front/back for the fence rails. I had to slightly elongate one or 2 for the stock fence, but that's all. No changes needed when I later converted to the Vega fence.

I see that the edges aren't bevelled like the rigid top's edges. Are there any other fit issues? Is the length exactly the same (front to back) or did you have to shim the fence?
They are beveled but much less than the 4512 main table. Apparently this is typical as I've seen the same thing on other saws like Jet/Delta and the wings were from Jet/Delta. Weird.

Responses in blue.

GeorgeC 01-09-2014 08:04 AM

Is that an old Craftsman 2484 fence? If not it looks exactly like one. I have one and really like the build in "t" tracks.

George

rbk123 01-09-2014 08:43 AM

It's the stock 4512 fence. The t-tracks are very nice - much like the VerySuperCool design.

Steve_V 04-06-2019 06:41 PM

Hi rbk123,

I recently purchased the same saw here in Australia (its badged as a Sherwood Contractor saw here, see link here https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/10in-contractors-saw) and am wanting to do the same upgrade with Sawstop wings. I'm not sure if its issues at my end, but your post does not show the images/ pictures. Are you able to send them or re-post as I'd love to use your approach as a guide?

Regards,

Steve.

Steve Neul 04-06-2019 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve_V (Post 2048991)
Hi rbk123,

I recently purchased the same saw here in Australia (its badged as a Sherwood Contractor saw here, see link here https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/10in-contractors-saw) and am wanting to do the same upgrade with Sawstop wings. I'm not sure if its issues at my end, but your post does not show the images/ pictures. Are you able to send them or re-post as I'd love to use your approach as a guide?

Regards,

Steve.

Anybody's extensions would work as long as the length is the same. I have Craftsman table extensions on a Delta Unisaw. Just had to drill a few holes so it matched.

Steve_V 04-08-2019 06:50 AM

Thanks Steve. You are quite right.

Looks like the Saw Stop wings are easier to get here so I'll probably just run with those. I've also bitten the bullet on an aftermarket steel Biesemeyer fence upgrade as opposed to the Aluminium 2-part fence rails that come with this one (was on sale). So, out of the box, this table saw is going to get an instant upgrade during assembly which will make it somewhat of a frankenstein that will hopefully eliminate all the things that people have complained about (whilst simultaneously loving this saw for the price).

GeorgeC 04-08-2019 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_V (Post 2048991)
Hi rbk123,

I recently purchased the same saw here in Australia (its badged as a Sherwood Contractor saw here, see link here https://www.timbecon.com.au/sawing/10in-contractors-saw) and am wanting to do the same upgrade with Sawstop wings. I'm not sure if its issues at my end, but your post does not show the images/ pictures. Are you able to send them or re-post as I'd love to use your approach as a guide?

Regards,

Steve.

Photos that have been hosted on some foreign (not posters own computer) often do not work after a long period of time. That is why it is always better to upload the pictures to this forum from your own computer.


George


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