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post #21 of 42 Old 07-19-2013, 07:40 PM
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First off it seems like you missed the Title bar. which was where the sentence began. I hate when people do that because it is confusing. Read it through again.

now this is a shame, no matter..... what you think about sawstop or their owner/founder:

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/3940945763.html
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Who missed it??? I don't see anything wrong here...

The tools don't make the craftsman....
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All I said is that numerous people I know (two of them in charge of production at Masco Cabinets one at Grabill cabinets and a couple others scattered across the country) said the saws just can't hack it in their setting. The PM 66 or similar had no issues. That is not a one ton saw and the 3 phase argument you are trying to make is irrelevant.

I was being informative and relaying information I was told by first hand users.

Seems the only one being confrontational about this is you.

Sorry your feelings get hurt so easily.
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I think someone is just sensitive and thinks flexing his moderator muscles makes him look cool.
Is it being informative to give information not pertaining to the thread. Granted it seams a few people missed the title as part of the question. So maybe that's what confused you.

The OP was not about opinions on the saw or company. It was about how the equipment was abused. Timpa, and Myself disagree with your opinion about the Saw and we both have first hand knowledge. Now not that this matters since the thread wasn't about that.

I have heard you on numerous occasions suggest old American iron to people while taking shots at anything other then old American Iron. Again it may be your opinion but when you suggest a 3600 lb piece of equipment for a basement shop it makes no sense. There are just you and one or two others that think like you do. This would be find but when people are asking for advice on something and you push unreasonable points it again gets old. There have been a few occasions people were really treated bad about this type of stuff. I know you have made comments but I don't think you were the one treating people badly.

Flexing my Moderator muscles really? If I was you would know it.

I'm tired of all the out of control threads. Two others pointed that out before I said anything. If I came across a little strong then I'm sorry but it represents the amount of aggravation I get from all the threads that go bad. I get PM's, that little Report post icon gets abused sometimes and I'm tired of all the problems.

If there are any further question or complaints feel free to PM me. Other then that enough with the out of control threads. I'm tired of the extra work and people complaining to me about members leaving because of these threads.
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Who missed it??? I don't see anything wrong here...
Ryan look at the two quotes. Mine includes the title from OP yours does not. can you see the difference in the way it reads.


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now this is a shame, no matter..... what you think about sawstop or their owner/founder:

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/3940945763.html
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what you think about sawstop or their owner/founder:

http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/3940945763.html
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I know plenty of people with major tonnage in their basement.

In regards to the actual meaning of the thread, it is apparent that this saw is not made to hold up to extreme use an abuse.
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I know plenty of people with major tonnage in their basement.

In regards to the actual meaning of the thread, it is apparent that this saw is not made to hold up to extreme use an abuse.
Your assuming. We have no idea what the hell even happen to it.

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Ryan look at the two quotes. Mine includes the title from OP yours does not. can you see the difference in the way it reads.
Nevermind...I was responding to two different posts.

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This thread is the real shame. No help to anyone
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This thread is the real shame. No help to anyone
Agreed!!!

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ohhh my!!

yes is is a shame how some people treat their tools
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ohhh my!!

yes is is a shame how some people treat their tools
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I'm going to take what I learned from this thread and go apply it to my woodworking.




It did remind me why I rarely post around here anymore though.
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Aside from the arguing,

The saw looks pretty rusty, but what's up with the cabinet? Is the photography that bad or is it sitting all tilted? Hard to tell. My concerns would be whether or not the mechanisms, for which the saw claims it's fame, would still be operational. I wonder how much one would have to put into it to make it Sawstop safe. I think at $1500 I'd just get a new Grizzly. Or save the rest for a new one that doesn't look shot.
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...... It was about how the equipment was abused.........
FTR, that is exactly the point i was making. the further point i was attempting to make was that, even if one is a steve gass and/or sawstop hater, what happened to the linked piece of equipment was, nonetheless, a shame.

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It really is a poor performing saw when put in a real production environment. This has been repeated to me on several occasions by people that have worked in production environments where these saws were used.
please do not consider this as a continuation of disagreement. but, I was wondering if you would share with me what troubles these saws have had, so I can watch out for them?
thanks in advance.
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please do not consider this as a continuation of disagreement. but, I was wondering if you would share with me what troubles these saws have had, so I can watch out for them?
thanks in advance.
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FTR, that is exactly the point i was making. the further point i was attempting to make was that, even if one is a steve gass and/or sawstop hater, what happened to the linked piece of equipment was, nonetheless, a shame.
I am still at a loss and trying to understand your interpretation of these words.

"now this is a shame, no matter..... what you think about sawstop or their owner/founder:"

How do I go from these words to an understanding that it was the USER of the equipment that was at fault? The only words in your post were about owner/founder of sawstop.

I am really trying to understand, please explain.

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I am still at a loss and trying to understand your interpretation of these words.

"now this is a shame, no matter..... what you think about sawstop or their owner/founder:"

How do I go from these words to an understanding that it was the USER of the equipment that was at fault? The only words in your post were about owner/founder of sawstop.

I am really trying to understand, please explain.

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George I get it nothing against you are anyone else. 10 people can read something and you may get 2 or 3 interpretations of what was read. Some of this is based on assuming based on other readings and or comments.

I highlighted the text. the Black is referring to the condition of the saw in the picture. The portion in red is referring to No matter what your opinion is about that company or the owner that it is still a shame that the saw is in that condition. Now it's assumed that the saw looks like that because of abuse. That rust came from somewhere and it damn sure don't belong there.

The cabinet is scratched and beat up but that is likely because its high gloss Black. Anyone with a Black car will understand.

I hope that helps.

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any tool that is abused is a shame

Abused from operation or exposure to the elements or both.
I don't own a Saw Stop and I don't own any old iron, but each has their place in the woodworking environment, whether it's in school shops where safety is primary or in industrial settings where IF the machine performs well who cares. The old iron restorations always impress me and any time you bring a tool back from the dead to live and work again gets my sincere appreciation.
My oldest "iron" is from the 1980's, cast iron Craftsman 12" motorized saws. Properly set up and not "pushed" beyond their limits, they work just fine. My newer saws include 12" Powermatic, Craftsman 10"Hybrid and Bosch job site, none of which I would part with. Each has it's own specialty and is appreciated just for that.

I have a good friend who uses "old iron" exclusively for sawing, planing,mortising, straight line rips, resawing and jointing, but uses a wide belt sander for finishing the raised panel doors he makes to perfection. So there is room for all types.

The answer to your question will only be as detailed and specific as the question is detailed and specific. Good questions also include a sketch or a photo that illustrates your issue. (:< D)
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This is a shame no matter- this was the perfect name for this thread. I find it sad that we can have 37 replies and know less then we started. TOO bad!! Maybe the words "Sawstop" should be banned or maybe we should find a way to be civil and accept that there are different strokes for different folks..

ACP- It is the saddest that forum tension has gotten to where we lose good contributors.

Disclaimer- I have no sawstop- I have new equipment and old- well not really old- 1950 20 bandsaw and 51 scrollsaw. Both new and old have their place. I will shut up and go back to my silent corner!!
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Maybe I can help.

Around the first of every month, the freeways of Los Angeles become littered with enough household good to furnish a small home. I've seen refrigerators, washers, dryers, what's left of beds, couches, tables and clothes.

Think of the bumper sticker, "Yes, it is my truck. No, I will not help you move."

People are moving and try to hold their belongings in the back of the truck with a single bungee cord. The results are obvious.

So what does this have to do with the saw? Well it's moving day because the job is finished and the conversation goes like this:
"That's your truck, right?"
"Yeah"
"Let's put the saw in your truck and we'll drop it off at the shop."
"I don't want to move the saw because I'm not going that way."
"If you want to work on the next job, you'll move the saw."

Thus we have the saga of the saw on Craig's list.

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