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post #21 of 29 Old 05-28-2010, 12:19 AM Thread Starter
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Impossible to tell because there is not enough info on the Delta. There are many varieties of Delta "10 inch standing table saws." .
It's this one (model 36-545): http://www.amazon.com/DELTA-36-545-10-Inch-Bench-Stand/dp/B000022355
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As between that Delta and the PC in the other ad, I would definitely opt for the PC. The Delta would be fine for light work or starting out, but the PC has a stronger motor and is generally a more robust machine. The Delta is basically the same as a Craftsman you can buy new for about $149.
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Why not just get a good, sturdy clamp guide set and circ saw for now? forgo the Table saw, save the $$$, get / make a good sized router table or better yet, a work bench with a built in router table... inlay some t-channel and miter slots and get a really good router, bits and hold down clamps. Also, a good compressor with an assortment of air tools.. and for a shop id recommend NOT going cordless for things like drills and drivers, who needs to waste time, effort and $$$ re charging all sorts of batteries.. lol Side note, I used to deliver to a place who had a huge work table in the center of the shop and on one end was a saw.. I don't recall if it was just a table saw sticking through or a dropped in Contractors saw or even a circ saw bolted upside down from underneath but I do know that it supported the heck out of full sheets of ply while being cut...lol

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Why not just get a good, sturdy clamp guide set and circ saw for now? forgo the Table saw, save the $$$, get / make a good sized router table or better yet, a work bench with a built in router table... inlay some t-channel and miter slots and get a really good router, bits and hold down clamps.
Well, if I had any experience with table saws whatsoever so that I could judge whether or not I was doing it right, I might consider this, but I'm focusing on getting a good deal on a used one instead

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Also, a good compressor with an assortment of air tools..
Oh yes, that's on my wish list, though I may wait and let my folks get those for me for holiday and birthday gifts. Unless of course I find a Really Good Reason to justify getting them sooner!

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and for a shop id recommend NOT going cordless for things like drills and drivers, who needs to waste time, effort and $$$ re charging all sorts of batteries.. lol
Oh you can take my cordless tools away from me when you pry them from my cold dead hands... except I also have corded equivalents for everything that matters: Hammer drill (though I really do need a new one - this one is 30 years old and has a few too many electrical tape patches and makes a few too many weird noises...), circ and jig saws.

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Side note, I used to deliver to a place who had a huge work table in the center of the shop and on one end was a saw.. I don't recall if it was just a table saw sticking through or a dropped in Contractors saw or even a circ saw bolted upside down from underneath but I do know that it supported the heck out of full sheets of ply while being cut...lol
My goal is to ultimate rig things up in a way that will allow me to easily use other tables as support for both my table saw and chop saw

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LOL yeah but I'm the Mean Grandma who enforces bed times, good table manners, and eating vegetables, so not sure I'd be most people's first choice for a grandma!
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OK, so I decided to pass on the Delta saw and the PC one sold already, so I'm still looking.

This one is 80 miles away but I'm thinking with it's cast iron top and extensions that it might be a good deal for $125:

http://delaware.craigslist.org/tls/1765169019.html

It's model number 113298240, which is the same (other than accessories) as the 113298142 and 113298032. Can't find anything on price but it looks like similar things new are in the $700-1500 range, if I'm comparing things accurately.

Feedback?

And one question: As a newbie who will only be an occasional user, should I really be looking at more portable contractor saws instead of the cast-iron-top needs-two-men-strong-like-bull to move/carry?
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OK, so I decided to pass on the Delta saw and the PC one sold already, so I'm still looking.

This one is 80 miles away but I'm thinking with it's cast iron top and extensions that it might be a good deal for $125:

http://delaware.craigslist.org/tls/1765169019.html

It's model number 113298240, which is the same (other than accessories) as the 113298142 and 113298032. Can't find anything on price but it looks like similar things new are in the $700-1500 range, if I'm comparing things accurately.

Feedback?

And one question: As a newbie who will only be an occasional user, should I really be looking at more portable contractor saws instead of the cast-iron-top needs-two-men-strong-like-bull to move/carry?

First, if it were me I'd pass on that old Craftsman. Looks pretty beat up, and not much of a fence on those things (I had one, I eventually replaced the fence with a Vega, then gave it away).

If you're enjoying the CL hunt, more power to you. I usually find that the good things go before I can get to them, and the rest is junk, or dishonest sellers. Seriously, if I were looking for a TS in the less than $200 range, I'd just get a new Craftsman like this one:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...5&blockType=G5

(Model 21805). Or if that's too much, this one:

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...&blockType=G10

(Model 21802). The 21802 is basically the same as that used Delta you were looking at. It should do fine for most home woodworker stuff. Should rip 3/4 plywood without too much difficulty, and will be fine working 3/4 pine and most hardwoods. Should rip fur 2 by 4's ok. Much more than that and you'll be pushing it. But you can always sell it (on CL :) ) and get a bigger one... And if you get it brand new you can count on the warranty, and it won't have been abused (yet).
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I built up my inventory by when I couldn't do something, I'd invest in the tool to do it.

I have collected enough now over 40 years to start my own store. I'm a unreformed toolholic.

If you see a good deal invest in it even if you don't need right now. I now that sounds like a contradictory statement but it's not. I'm just saying don't pass up a good deal.

Garage sales are a good place to find small tools. (if it's electric plug it in before you buy it, smell it while it's running, burnt smell? Loud rough noises? lay back down) Ask everyone if they know if someones got something for sale, your friends people at stores like Lowes and Home depot, look in wood stores for sales boards. Put ads in criags list of things you want. If you throw enough mud at the wall some is bound to stick.
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I just got a Sears Craftsman saw like this. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...1833000P?mv=rr

I just assembled and tested it over the weekend. I think it's a fantastic deal at $410; on sale from $549. They have it on sale every couple of months.

1 3/4 HP, cast iron table, can handle 13/16" dado, real miter slots, and a 27" x 44" table, weighs 280 lbs.

My second choice would have been a good job site saw like a Ridgid, Bosch, Porter Cable or maybe the Ryobi mentioned in an earlier post. These are in the $300 to $500 range. Sears has saws in this category as well. They call them "Professional Jobsite Saws", but you have to check them out and make sure the miter slots are standard.

My problem with the cheaper saws is the non-standard miter slot. Especially the ones with the pair of ears that stick out into the slot to keep the miter guage from lifting up. You can't use these for any jigs and acessory fixtures you might want to add. That, and the fact that most of these cheap starter saws can't handle a dado blade.
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I just got a Sears Craftsman saw like this. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...1833000P?mv=rr

I just assembled and tested it over the weekend. I think it's a fantastic deal at $410; on sale from $549. They have it on sale every couple of months.

1 3/4 HP, cast iron table, can handle 13/16" dado, real miter slots, and a 27" x 44" table, weighs 280 lbs.

My second choice would have been a good job site saw like a Ridgid, Bosch, Porter Cable or maybe the Ryobi mentioned in an earlier post. These are in the $300 to $500 range. Sears has saws in this category as well. They call them "Professional Jobsite Saws", but you have to check them out and make sure the miter slots are standard.

My problem with the cheaper saws is the non-standard miter slot. Especially the ones with the pair of ears that stick out into the slot to keep the miter guage from lifting up. You can't use these for any jigs and acessory fixtures you might want to add. That, and the fact that most of these cheap starter saws can't handle a dado blade.

I didn't operate it, but I looked at one of those saws recently, and it struck me as a pretty good machine. Very nicely built. Looks like a couple of others I see marketed under different names. :)

The best of the Craftsman jobsite saws is one sale now for $399. Not a bad deal. I ordered a Bosch 4100 the other day, on sale at amazon for $549. Should be delivered tomorrow.
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