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Festool t-55 and other stuff

For the record, while I haven't really used festool often, I'm not a hater of it nor have I been seduced into the cult. With that said, my employer (who readily admits to knowing nothing of tools/woodworking) is infatuated with their stuff after seeing someone demo their sander in conjunction with the dust extractor. I've been getting on him to get some real dust collection in the shop and the complicated nature of DC plus the costs intimidate him. So, while admiring this sander, he's asking questions and the next thing I know is that he's convinced that with a couple sanders, vacs, and a track saw that the shop would magically be transformed into a spot free monument to productivity. I balk at this fantasy and explain how the table saw, bandsaw, drill press, jointer, etc don't fit into this plan. So he calls up festool and now claims that he was advised to get a ts-55 and basically pitch the rest because a track saw is far more versatile than a table saw and it rips glue lines anyway.
Am I crazy or is this totally irresponsible of a rep to BS someone who obviously doesn't know the first thing about tools? Or am I just some some luddite that can't see the future in front of his eyes?
I've looked into getting a domino jointer and have considered the vacs before but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
We primarily refinish and fabricate casegoods and cabinetry (credenzas, bookcases, not kitchens).
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I guess I'm in line with your thinking, though I'm its curious your boss drank the kool aid from the first sip. BTW, you might mention to him that while the cost of a good DC is expensive, the cost of potential litigation from anyone who may have a reaction to breathing wood dust would make it pale in comparison.....and the Festool vacs won't get him there.

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I guess I'm in line with your thinking, though I'm its curious your boss drank the kool aid from the first sip. BTW, you might mention to him that while the cost of a good DC is expensive, the cost of potential litigation from anyone who may have a reaction to breathing wood dust would make it pale in comparison.....and the Festool vacs won't get him there.
the fine dust conversation actually started that way (in a friendly sort of tone, of course!). He likes tidy things, I think the aesthetics really snared him.
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Matt,
I have the track saw, and it is a very fine tool. However, I have two tablesaws, a jointer, bandsaw, etc., and I'm not getting rid of them. I consider the track saw a specialty tool that I use specifically for cutting up cabinet grade veneered plywood. I just finished a bunch of toekicks for a kitchen job. I used 1/2" birch. Almost every piece was cut on a taper because the floors in this kitchen are off almost 2". For the work you mentioned you are doing, I wouldn't get rid of the tablesaw. And for the record, I didn't buy their vac. While their dust collection system is good, I didn't buy the saw for that reason.
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I personally know most of the guys and gals at festool. I am pretty sure they would not tell him that once he buys a ts-55 his table saw is useless. Rail saws are an awesome tool, you can do some stuff with them you would have not thought possible.

I hate dragging my bosch ts with me for installs. I try to have everything sized the way I want it before I leave the shop.

I just made a mitered tapered column with my 55r, all miters cut, domino's cut and assembled and top and bottom trim in about 30 minutes.
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Thanks guys, I hope that I'm wrong about the rep. I'm never one for the hard sell, but doubly so for a maker that clearly prides itself on innovation and outside the box inventiveness. There have been only a couple instances outside of installs (which i don't do anymore) where I've wished I had something like that saw so it's not a major priority but I can see the possibilities. I can't believe I'm actually talking someone out of dropping a few grand on tools for me to use, though. What is wrong with me?
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The sanders with their vac makes for an amazing pair. I think I have 6 sanders.
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Hey man, where are you located?

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Hey man, where are you located?

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I was also looking at a 6" sander (the model # escapes me). It's my understanding that the "jet stream" dust collection feature is only achievable when paired with the vac? Does it work as advertised? Woodworld over here has a festool section for demos, I should stop by and check it out for myself, I suppose. I'm in chicago. I live on the northwest side between portage park and logan square and the shop is in the north center neighborhood. A stone's throw from rahm's house if I was so inclined (it's a joke, FBI, a joke!)
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The dust collection on their sanders is awesome.
Yes, the vac is just as important as the tools.

All the tools are designed with DC in mind from the beginning.
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