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Festool Basis Plus System - Am I mad?

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I'm looking at purchasing some Festool's. I have never seen any of their stuff up close and personal, but I've been researching and their stuff looks great, and I believe I might be getting a bargain........BUT am I??

The Basis Plus System seems to have been replaced with CMS, so I guess I am, looking for some guidance. I don't mind buying out of date stuff if the price is right. However I am reading there might be conflicts if I decide to add on bits and pieces at later stages, and the new stuff won't work with the old. For Example, there is one saw rail involved, will I be able to buy a new one? are they they same as the old ones? will they connect up?

I'm unsure as to exactly what I am getting as the internet seems to be scarce on info on the old stuff, and not knowing much about it, it gets confusing!

I am waiting on an exact list, but in essence, this is what I think is involved. All been used for light DIY work, seen some pics and look in decent shape

A plunge saw with rail. I've no idea model no.
An OF 2000E router - apparently never used
A Jigsaw... again no idea what one.

Told that all the above come in their systrainer boxes.

A basic table
Module insert for trimming saw,
6A Router module extension table - I think this is the router insert with fence etc, plus the V650 extension table
Trimming attachment.??
Guide rail.
Angle stop

It is worth remembering that I am a novice, but at the same time fairly handy with my hands. I like to do DIY, and want to do it right, so no harm in getting the right tools. But I am a bit lost when it comes to a lot of the technical information, so please keep it simple.
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Might be better for you if you visit the Festool owners forum. Not sure if folks can help with your questions if you don't know the model numbers or have pictures.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/
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thanks for that, i will update with model numbers when i get them
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Hmmm...that is the first time I have read the words "Festool" and "bargain" in the same sentence. :-)
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Hmmm...that is the first time I have read the words "Festool" and "bargain" in the same sentence. :-)
would you buy it?
how much do you think it would be worth?
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Well, your description doesn't exactly say what is going on. Are you thinking about buying something used that is for sale? And if so, how much?

Without a detailed description, your guess is as good as mine.

Disclaimer: I don't own any Festool equipment because, in my opinion, it is overpriced. You can use up two or three of the other brands before ever breaking even.

If the price sounds good to you, go for it.
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Well, your description doesn't exactly say what is going on. Are you thinking about buying something used that is for sale? And if so, how much?

Without a detailed description, your guess is as good as mine.

Disclaimer: I don't own any Festool equipment because, in my opinion, it is overpriced. You can use up two or three of the other brands before ever breaking even.

If the price sounds good to you, go for it.
lite use, router unused. €1,500 or about $2,000 for everything
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lite use, router unused. €1,500 or about $2,000 for everything
For festool that price seems like a good deal, but consider for that same price you could get a very nice table saw and have money left over for a router, jigsaw, sander, jointer and thickness planer. Maybe a bandsaw.

I'll join the disclaimer that I've never used festool. I've heard good things, and maybe IDD you were using them 18 hours a day in a factory environment they'd be worth it, but personal I find the idea of a $800 drilsl insane
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What is or is not a good price in England may or may not be the same in the U S. And versi vice or vice versa or whatever.;l

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What is or is not a good price in England may or may not be the same in the U S. And versi vice or vice versa or whatever.;l

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for the record, i'm in Ireland :)
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for the record, i'm in Ireland :)
Close enough

Actually join Featool Owners Group and you'll get some good advice. If you visit Festool's web site you'll be able to get a feel for the pricing. Festool is the same price new anywhere.

Festool is definitely more money but one tool can do the job if several tools. Accessories are designed to be interchangeable. Dust control is second to none.

You have to decide what works for you.

Cut it twice, measure once and it's still too short.
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I'm Irish too!

What I would say is the same as the others... festoon is good stuff I know because I own some but it doesn't compete with stationary power tools in a workshop. with the track saw for example you have to line it up with a cut line for every cut. With a table saw you just set it up and push all the timber through without setting up again every time.

However... the track saw is awesome for cutting down big sheets and cutting the waney edge off of rough boards. I found that for its price I don't use it as much as I should. I can cut straight enough free hand and I have a wadkin bursgreen table saw which cost me four times less and is designed to run for decades with no issues (and it's been around long enough to prove it!)

If festool did more industrial equipment I would switch over I think.

Like everyone has said it depends what you want / need. I could buy a spindle moulder planer table and slot morticer for 600 euro... and they are all professional quality. but festool is amazing! I'm a joiner and while I appreciate the fine cuts... I don't use it that often.

As for dust extraction festool are the daddies but I don't really suffer either way because I have two 3hp extractors so... if you're sort on space it's great... if you're not its still useful but not as useful

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http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/181489228875?nav=SEARCH ... this for example also saves on space and it's such a good motor that it's powerful enough to run a spindle moulder but so quiet that if you had it in your house the neighbours wouldn't know! apart from the planer obviously haha.. hope that helps

You have many options but don't be fooled, festool is amazing. So is Kity and many other brands. Depends what you need!

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Just an update on what is actually involved in the deal. The guy has just given me an all in price for everything. I'm sticking some prices in here, but these are prices I made up. . to try and see if the deal is worth it... his price is actually a good more.

€200 The Basis Plus System basic Unit 1A
€150 Module insert for trimming saw,
€200 Basis 6A Router module
€100 Router extension table V650
??? some sort of Trimming attachment rail 2m long????? - not the rail for the plunge saw

€200 ATF 55E plunge saw with rail apx 5ft long
€200 An OF 2000E router - apparently never used
€50 PS 200E Jigsaw

all the above come in their systrainer boxes.

A Double hose for Vacuum but no vacuum.

So I plan to offer €1,100. Don't think he will go for it, but am I overpricing thins or underpricing them? help and guidance appreciated

I have signed up over on the Festool Owners Forum so will see how I get on there
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deal done, i made the purchase for anyone interested. went €1,250 for the whole lot. I think I did allright out of it
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Good for you.

Gert some time and watch the videos on the tools. The aftermarket videos show some great techniques and " how to"

Cut it twice, measure once and it's still too short.
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