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DeWalt DW 616 Router simple question.

Just bought a DeWalt combo router kit. I have emailed DeWalt... no answer...used the chat feature.... no answer.... caked and waited an hour and 15 minutes on hold only to be told at the end that they were not accepting calls. DeWalt customer service sucks! My simple questions:
What screwdriver tip ( name?) is used to remove faceplate...not Phipps or Flat. Do you use these same screws to attach to a 3 hole router table?
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PS I’ve only had one router in my life, many years ago, and it was a Makita? and entirely different.
I used a router table to make moldings, frames and such in the past.
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Pretty sure they are Torx.
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Pretty sure they are Torx.

That is correct.
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I'm going to add, there is no reason to call Dewalt about this, or spend 1.5 hours on the phone waiting on them. The internet is packed with good info, a little judicious searching will typically give you the answer in less than a few minutes.

A quick search of screw head types brings up many images that show the types of heads/drivers.

I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm trying to help you not waste time on something when you have an incredible amount of information right at your finger tips.
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Thanks guys, I did manage to reach DeWalt via chat last night after 4 failed attempts. They are a Torx 20 and I have a set of Torx bits arriving tomorrow. I had 2 large sets of bits but nothing like this. DeWalt should have included in instructions along with a proper bit as many other companies would do. I got 4 tools with my sander...just saying.
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Nolan, when a specific issues arises, which requires a specific answer,
tool, or method, good clear photos will narrow down the responses considerably.
glad you got it figured out !

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As for just looking up a photo? This is where you end up...just pick one (—; since I was unable to remove a screw l had no way of knowing screw size...and never would have guessed it. All of you guys are great! Gave me some a direction on my bandsaw problem and I have ordered rubber 3/16 (.18) versus the urethane (.09) and that should solve the problem.
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Thanks guys, I did manage to reach DeWalt via chat last night after 4 failed attempts. They are a Torx 20 and I have a set of Torx bits arriving tomorrow. I had 2 large sets of bits but nothing like this. DeWalt should have included in instructions along with a proper bit as many other companies would do. I got 4 tools with my sander...just saying.
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I agree. If DeWalt decided to use Torx screws to hold their router base plates, they should have included a courtesy "freebee" L-shape torx wrench with the router. Every other router I have seen uses Phillips or flathead screws.

Torx screws are have become much more common these days. Small torx screws have been used on electronics for many years. You can't disassemble a computer, disk drive, and many other electronic components without them. Larger torx screws are used on modern vehicles, too. It doesn't surprise me to hear that they are appearing on new power tools.

I like Torx, because the driver is unlikely to slip out and strip the head, unlike Phillips or flathead screws. I have some high-end wood screws with Torx heads. I picked 'em up as surplus at the swap meet, but they can get expensive to buy at retail.

(Another screw type I like for the same reason are Robertson heads - square drive. We used them in Canada, and I see them on the shelf in woodworking stores, but otherwise they are not common in the US.)

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I've had Torx drivers in my tool box for a couple of decades now, just assumed everyone had some.

Not sure why you would expect Dewalt to include the driver, they don't include a second faceplate, so there really wouldn't be a reason to ever take it off, from their perspective.

90% of the Torx drivers I have are actually bits, they come in an assortment of sizes, I just assumed you would get a set, that would have had the #20 in there as they are very common.

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I've had Torx drivers in my tool box for a couple of decades now, just assumed everyone had some.

Not sure why you would expect Dewalt to include the driver, they don't include a second faceplate, so there really wouldn't be a reason to ever take it off, from their perspective.

90% of the Torx drivers I have are actually bits, they come in an assortment of sizes, I just assumed you would get a set, that would have had the #20 in there as they are very common.
Good points.

Woodworkers remove the baseplate when they want to use the router in a table, or attach a jig (like a circle-cutting jig), or other accessory baseplates. I do it often enough that I keep extra screws around, in case one gets lost in the sawdust.

I have had Torx drivers for many years too, but this is the first time I have ever heard of a woodworking tool with Torx screws. It isn't a bad idea to use Torx, but the fact remains that it isn't common in woodworking. That is why I believe that DeWalt should have included a 50 cent courtesy Torx wrench. Heck, they come with crappy, ready-to-assemble stuff all the time.

Yeah - For most things the freebee is an allen wrench, but I have seen a few torx wrenches, too.
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Various tool boxes are filled with many types of drivers - torx, allen, phillips, square, slot, bristol, butterfly. As to woodworking, wherever my projects call for a screw, it's usually a torx or square drive, depending on application. I will use phillips (drywall screws) to attach plywood backs to shop projects, but that's about the only use I have for them. Oh, and an impact driver is a real step up for driving any screw type.

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Good points.

Woodworkers remove the baseplate when they want to use the router in a table, or attach a jig (like a circle-cutting jig), or other accessory baseplates. I do it often enough that I keep extra screws around, in case one gets lost in the sawdust.

I have had Torx drivers for many years too, but this is the first time I have ever heard of a woodworking tool with Torx screws. It isn't a bad idea to use Torx, but the fact remains that it isn't common in woodworking. That is why I believe that DeWalt should have included a 50 cent courtesy Torx wrench. Heck, they come with crappy, ready-to-assemble stuff all the time.

Yeah - For most things the freebee is an allen wrench, but I have seen a few torx wrenches, too.
I get the mounting is a router table and the jigs.

Torx are pretty common on woodworking tools, my Bosch miter saw, has them, Older Dewalt ROS has them holding on the pad, they are T20, might have been one of the 4 tools that came with his sander. Bosch router uses them, the list goes on and on, most of the screws I use anymore are Torx drive.

They aren't new to the trade, many just haven't noticed them...
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Thanks guys, I did manage to reach DeWalt via chat last night after 4 failed attempts. They are a Torx 20 and I have a set of Torx bits arriving tomorrow. I had 2 large sets of bits but nothing like this. DeWalt should have included in instructions along with a proper bit as many other companies would do. I got 4 tools with my sander...just saying.
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if you want to change the light bulb in your microwave you will likely need a Torx Security screwdriver (bit). (Panasonic microwave).

The screwdriver madness never ends.

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Torx and/or square drive heads are far superior to any Phillips, and fortunately they're becoming more common in the big box stores. I refuse to buy anything else.
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