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I am brand new to this site and very green at wood working.

I am looking for something to replace my little Delta bench saw. I am in the middle of my first wood working project, a Franklin chair, made of red oak. It has been a learning experience for me, needless to say.

I have learned a lot reading posts on this site and others and have a simple question. Is the saw in this craigslist post a good choice? I understand that I should look for cast iron table, induction motor...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/tls/3522390164.html

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Its a good saw, and appears in decent condition.....now the downsides, the stamped steel wings, many of the craftsman ones had cast iron wings, which are a bit sturdier, next, the fence, its not a particularly good fence, but can be upgraded to a very good delta t2 fence for around 150 bucks.

Other than that.....looks good
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This may be a better deal....the pictures are a bit small...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/3517511636.html
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Or this one......a bit of clean up, and buy a good fence....and you've got less into it than the one you were looking at, with a better fence and a new belt.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/3507181293.html
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I have sent inquiries to both. The Enumclaw one is about 2 hrs away.

So, you can tell by looking if the top is cast or otherwise and if the motor is an induction style motor?

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I am brand new to this site and very green at wood working.

I am looking for something to replace my little Delta bench saw. I am in the middle of my first wood working project, a Franklin chair, made of red oak. It has been a learning experience for me, needless to say.

I have learned a lot reading posts on this site and others and have a simple question. Is the saw in this craigslist post a good choice? I understand that I should look for cast iron table, induction motor...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/tls/3522390164.html

Thanks for any help!

Chuck Barnett
those emerson electric built TSs were real little workhorses. i have two of them. one is a c-man, the other a ridgid 2412, so i know that model pretty well. the first linked saw is nice but overpriced by ~$100. the last CL post is the saw i'd look at, provided the motor and bearings are sound. add a delta t2 fence, an osborne eb-3 miter gauge, a splitter and blade guard off ebay and you're off to the races with a saw that should serve you until you get tired of it. proper alignment and technique along with a good blade will easily provide fine woodworking cuts.

there's a solution to every problem.....you just have to be willing to find it.
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Very grateful for the quick and detailed advice! :)

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The saw has potential...basically the same guts as the older Ridgid contractor saws, but it's overpriced at $225. I'd only pay that if it had an upgraded fence and cast iron wings. I wouldn't pay over $125 for it with the original fence and steel wings.

This is pretty much the same saw with a better fence for the same price.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/tls/3497121674.html
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I guess if you've seen enough of these you can tell by looking what model they are and if they are good or not... I should look for Rigid as well as the Craftsman in this class.

:) mebbe some day I'll get there... then again, mebbe not...
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I guess if you've seen enough of these you can tell by looking what model they are and if they are good or not... I should look for Rigid as well as the Craftsman in this class.

:) mebbe some day I'll get there... then again, mebbe not...
You'll get it once you've seen them a couple of times. Contractor saws from both brands were made by Emerson in the US at one point, then both eventually switched over to TTI/Ryobi in Asia as some point, though never at the same time (~1997 for Cman, ~2003/2004 for Ridgid, with the last of any of these being made ~ 2007/2008 - model TS3660). Many of the parts are interchangeable between them. The later Craftsmans offered a better fence that's very similar to what Ridgid always offered on their contractor saws. Things like wings, wheels, and other accessories vary a bit by model, but the basic guts remain very similar. Ironically, later on both have offered hybrid saws from Steel City/Orion, and both currently offer nearly identical saws from Dayton (R4512 and 21833)

Here's an older Craftsman with the very common "lame" fence:


Here's one with the updated fence:


Here's a Ridgid with a pretty similar fence:


A shot from the rear of both brands (light gray is older Ridgid, orange is later Ridgid, dark gray is Cman):

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Its a good saw, and appears in decent condition.....now the downsides, the stamped steel wings, many of the craftsman ones had cast iron wings, which are a bit sturdier, next, the fence, its not a particularly good fence, but can be upgraded to a very good delta t2 fence for around 150 bucks.

Other than that.....looks good
The stamped steel wings are no problem. That is what my saw has and have given me no trouble for the past over 30 years.

That is the original fence and should be upgraded.

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The saw has potential...basically the same guts as the older Ridgid contractor saws, but it's overpriced at $225. I'd only pay that if it had an upgraded fence and cast iron wings. I wouldn't pay over $125 for it with the original fence and steel wings.

This is pretty much the same saw with a better fence for the same price.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/tls/3497121674.html
the linked saw here is a ridgid 2412 that's seen what appears to be some rather rough service. and just for the purpose of increasing the OP's knowledge base, the miter gauge and spitter/blade guard in the fourth pic in knotscott's linked CL ad above do not go with the featured saw. the splitter appears to be for a much newer saw.

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I have that same saw and love it. I paid $ 75.00 for mine. The one at $225.00 is a bit overpriced. I never replaced the fence on mine and it works fine. As well as adjusting the alignment there is a spring with a nylon pad that keeps pressure on the fence rail. When it is adjusted properly (page 13 owners manual) it tracks very well. If you are going to upgrade the fence go for the $60.00 one. I bought another one for $50.00 just for parts and a spare motor.

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Okay, here's the latest in my search... http://skagit.craigslist.org/tls/3526630942.html -over an hour away but... Thoughts?

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I am in contact with the owner of this one too. http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/tls/3524040544.html

I would only buy the saw. He sounds firm at $200.00

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Here's one for $50 without a fence (which is a plus in this case IMO). The motor is worth $50 if it runs, so there's very little down side. Add a Delta T2 fence for ~ $165 shipped, and you've got a pretty nice saw. The rust should clean up nicely.
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that's a sweet set up

I don't think $350 is too far off considering the sliding table is worth $200.00 minimum. It will make cross cutting a breeze and heck, if you don't like it sell it off separately yourself. If I didn't have a Frankensaw, more than one saw bolted together, I'd want a set up like that. But that's just me.

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Here's one for $50 without a fence (which is a plus in this case IMO). The motor is worth $50 if it runs, so there's very little down side. Add a Delta T2 fence for ~ $165 shipped, and you've got a pretty nice saw. The rust should clean up nicely.
@ knotscott: Worth consideration. THANKS!

The sliding table saw is a 113.241680. I read that this is a "flex shaft" saw. What does that mean and is that a concern?

A friend is looking at the Grizzly G1022 for me tomorrow -he thinks that is the saw he owns.

Bless you guys!!
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flex drive TSs use a cable, much like an old speedometer cable, to transfer the rotary motion of the motor to the arbor rather than the drive belt of most TSs. i have experience with one of those c-man units and it was incredibly unimpressive, IMHO.

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flex drive TSs use a cable, much like an old speedometer cable, to transfer the rotary motion of the motor to the arbor rather than the drive belt of most TSs. i have experience with one of those c-man units and it was incredibly unimpressive, IMHO.
+1. The flexible shaft will fail at some point. It costs around $100 to replace.
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