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ADP10 · 1/2" Extender:
"This handy accessory allows you to use our shaper cutters on a high speed drill press and on a router that accepts a 1/2” Shank. (shaper in picture sold separately) Also includes retaining nut and spacer."
http://corobcutters.com/adp1012extender.aspx
About the last thing I would do is use a cutter like that in a drill press, if the chuck is held in with a taper fit it can come loose when sideways pressure is exerted against it because there is no drawbar.
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About the last thing I would do is use a cutter like that with a morse taper chuck. It can come loose when sideways pressure is exerted against.
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About the last thing I would do is use a cutter like that with a morse taper chuck. It can come loose when sideways pressure is exerted against.

A drill press is designed for vertical loads, when drilling holes, not for sanding drums, router bits, molding heads. etc. A shaper "can" be used as a router, BUT the 1/4" dia bits need about 20,000 RPMs, which no shaper is designed to run at. A table saw can be used with a molding head, IF precautions are taken to hold down the work and a zero clearance throat plate is used. A RAS can be used for many different operations, including ripping IF precautions are used to feed in the proper direction, and the nose of the blade guard is rotated to prevent the workpiece from lifting up, it's natual tendency. There is a special guard for use with a molding head on a RAS.


People will get creative when there is no proper machine at for the task at hand. Common sense, the laws of physics and gravity, AND Murphy's Law all come into play when using a machine in a manner for which it is not designed or intended.... just sayin'
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using a machine in a manner for which it is not designed or intended
"A 2006 report describing prescribing patterns of 160 commonly used drugs found an estimated 150 million off-label mentions (21% of overall use) and that 73% of off-label prescriptions had little or no scientific support.1 "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827612/

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"A 2006 report describing prescribing patterns of 160 commonly used drugs found an estimated 150 million off-label mentions (21% of overall use) and that 73% of off-label prescriptions had little or no scientific support.1 "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827612/

Are you suggesting that misuse of prescription drugs is a greater issue than the woodworker's misuse? I'm sure there are way more deaths, than missing fingers in that analogy. I always appreciate your comments, but some of them like this one, test my comprehension.

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ADP10 · 1/2" Extender:
"This handy accessory allows you to use our shaper cutters on a high speed drill press and on a router that accepts a 1/2” Shank. (shaper in picture sold separately) Also includes retaining nut and spacer."
http://corobcutters.com/adp1012extender.aspx
Not for use in a drill press where the chuck is held in with a Morse taper.

OOPs! I was on page 1 and didn't realize this was already addressed.

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Having used a Craftsman molding head and reading the comments by others that have used them in several other forums the general consensus it is using it on a light saw similar to the OP's is not a good idea.

It does bother me that the one company still selling this equipment also has the attachment for a drill press, this does not seem like how a company with any moral compass would do business.

We are all free to do as we please in our shops, but let's be open about the consequences if we suggest something.

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Are you suggesting that misuse of prescription drugs is a greater issue than the woodworker's misuse?

In the medicine, off-label application of drugs and devices is common. It contrasts with FDA-approved uses. Off-label applications are done above board in full view. There is nothing illegal or unethical about it as long as the physician/surgeon bases it on scientific evidence. Off-label in that context is not the same thing as, for example, the epidemic of prescription of opioids.

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Having used a Craftsman molding head and reading the comments by others that have used them in several other forums the general consensus it is using it on a light saw similar to the OP's is not a good idea.

It does bother me that the one company still selling this equipment also has the attachment for a drill press, this does not seem like how a company with any moral compass would do business.

We are all free to do as we please in our shops, but let's be open about the consequences if we suggest something.
Yea Frank I was thinking about that but I do have my R4516 mounted to a heavy roll around bench but I am worried that it wont hold in place since I have a wood floor which unlike concret is smooth and I be afraid the saw would move. I will just buy a larger HP router than my PC690 maybe a 2.5 HP without softstart that will fit my Jessum router lift so I get have a speed control where I can get to without reaching under the router table.

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Yea Frank I was thinking about that but I do have my R4516 mounted to a heavy roll around bench but I am worried that it wont hold in place since I have a wood floor which unlike concret is smooth and I be afraid the saw would move. I will just buy a larger HP router than my PC690 maybe a 2.5 HP without softstart that will fit my Jessum router lift so I get have a speed control where I can get to without reaching under the router table.
I believe the concern with using the cutterhead on a drill press is it vibrating loose while running and throwing the entire cutterhead, perhaps at you.
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I believe the concern with using the cutterhead on a drill press is it vibrating loose while running and throwing the entire cutterhead, perhaps at you.
I think he was referring to his light duty table saw, not his drill press.

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Yea Frank I was thinking about that but I do have my R4516 mounted to a heavy roll around bench but I am worried that it wont hold in place since I have a wood floor which unlike concret is smooth and I be afraid the saw would move. I will just buy a larger HP router than my PC690 maybe a 2.5 HP without softstart that will fit my Jessum router lift so I get have a speed control where I can get to without reaching under the router table.

There is NO issue using a molding head in your table saw. How we got onto using one in a drill press baffles me. If a company does make one for that application, don't even think of it.

The molding head is as I posted above, virtually no different in principle than a dado head and can be used safely with proper precautions. I would use the 3 cutter version if possible because the cut will be smoother. The single cutter version will work, but the cutting rate will be slower and probably not as smooth. It has been a long while since I have need to use mine, so I'm just recalling my experience with them.
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I think he was referring to his light duty table saw, not his drill press.
My mistake. Everyone should know what a R4516 is.
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Yea Frank I was thinking about that but I do have my R4516 mounted to a heavy roll around bench but I am worried that it wont hold in place since I have a wood floor which unlike concret is smooth and I be afraid the saw would move. I will just buy a larger HP router than my PC690 maybe a 2.5 HP without softstart that will fit my Jessum router lift so I get have a speed control where I can get to without reaching under the router table.
You will probably be much happier with a router, wise decision.
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I am not planning doing moulding alot except on some projects like a top of a bookcase my mom wants me to build and some custom box's my wife and kids want plus a nightstand my daughter wants. I do use my dado blade a few times with no problem even up to 3/4 by taking a small amount on each pass. Besides it gives me a excuse and convince my wife to see it my way to get a larger router to handle the larger bits :). That way I can get my PC690 back together being a fix base router :)

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