Best Equipment for a Small Shop - Page 2 - Woodworking Talk - Woodworkers Forum
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
post #21 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:10 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 758
View Nathan's Photo Album My Photos
Thanks for the advice Leo. One of the reasons I started this site is because I have such an interest in the subject although I don't know much. Getting input from you guys is awesome!

I'm wanting to get into it because I've found myself being tied to a computer too often. I'm either using one at work or using one in the off hours to run websites. I need to do something with my hands and stop starring at a PC so much of the time.

I think a table saw is what I am going to buy first but I just have to watch the money a bit. Do you guys think $500-$600 would buy me something good or is that too low? Trying to figure out how to break this to my wife . She knows I'm talking about getting tools but I don't think she understands how much it costs.

BTW, I have my first project in mind. I need a low (2 self) but deep bookcase for my office. Something that is about 3' tall and 24" deep and 48" wide. It will hold some books and also be a table for my printer and fax machine. The furniture in the office right now is painted black so I figure I can really screw it up but still make it look good with putty and paint .

Nathan

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
Nathan is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:20 AM
Senior Member
 
Plowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Blue Springs, MO
Posts: 177
View Plowboy's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan View Post
Thanks for the advice Leo. One of the reasons I started this site is because I have such an interest in the subject although I don't know much. Getting input from you guys is awesome!

I'm wanting to get into it because I've found myself being tied to a computer too often. I'm either using one at work or using one in the off hours to run websites. I need to do something with my hands and stop starring at a PC so much of the time.

I think a table saw is what I am going to buy first but I just have to watch the money a bit. Do you guys think $500-$600 would buy me something good or is that too low? Trying to figure out how to break this to my wife . She knows I'm talking about getting tools but I don't think she understands how much it costs.

BTW, I have my first project in mind. I need a low (2 self) but deep bookcase for my office. Something that is about 3' tall and 24" deep and 48" wide. It will hold some books and also be a table for my printer and fax machine. The furniture in the office right now is painted black so I figure I can really screw it up but still make it look good with putty and paint .
I think you can get a good contractor saw with a good fence for 5-6 bills. Good price range! Check out the Grizzly that was suggested. I've been very impressed with the Grizzly quality for the price. Basically, you aren't paying for the Dewalt, Delta, or whatever name.

I'll post some pics of a bookcase I did for my home office.

www.plowboysbbq.com

Todd Johns
Plowboy is offline  
post #23 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:23 AM
Senior Sawdust Producer
 
Leo G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut
Posts: 4,293
View Leo G's Photo Album My Photos
Here is the grizzly site, take a gander. Get a left tilt saw in my opinion.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/mach-specs.aspx?key=530

Measure Twice Cut Once -- It's a lot easier to cut more off then it is to cut MORON.
Finishing is 3 parts chemistry and 1 part VooDoo http://lrgwood.com
Leo G is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #24 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:27 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 758
View Nathan's Photo Album My Photos
So, something like this: http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0444Z



With a base like this: http://www.grizzly.com/products/G7314



That would be $700 total before shipping and tax. Hmmmm.... I'm going to have to talk my wife into this I can see.

Nathan

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
Nathan is offline  
post #25 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:34 AM
Senior Member
 
Plowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Blue Springs, MO
Posts: 177
View Plowboy's Photo Album My Photos
After further consideration. How about I sell you my Delta Contractor saw and I go buy the Grizzly?

Seriously, that is a sweet setup! I started drooling over that pic. That's the kind of saw you want, IMHO. You'll love that fense, too.

www.plowboysbbq.com

Todd Johns
Plowboy is offline  
post #26 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:35 AM
Senior Member
 
Plowboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Blue Springs, MO
Posts: 177
View Plowboy's Photo Album My Photos
I didn't think the Grizzly would be that much. My Delta was $500, but that was a few years ago without the good fence and without the mobile base.

www.plowboysbbq.com

Todd Johns
Plowboy is offline  
post #27 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:38 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 758
View Nathan's Photo Album My Photos
Quote:
Originally Posted by Plowboy View Post
I didn't think the Grizzly would be that much. My Delta was $500, but that was a few years ago without the good fence and without the mobile base.
Yea, it's $625 base price for the 2hp. I may have to find something cheaper. Also, the freight alone is almost $100 on top of the price

Nathan

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
Nathan is offline  
post #28 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 12:41 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 758
View Nathan's Photo Album My Photos
You know, in VA there was a local woodworking store that had a shop in it and you could join their club and use the equipment. I think it cost around $60/month. Long term I want my own tools but it is tempting to get your feet wet before investing a ton of money.

Haven't found anything like that around here though.

Nathan

"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
Nathan is offline  
post #29 of 40 Old 01-07-2007, 07:53 AM
Senior Member
 
joasis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 790
View joasis's Photo Album My Photos
That Grizzly saw is the exact model I own,a nd yes, it beats our Delta cantractors saw all over in quality...the fence alone IMO is superior...and keep this in mind: You buy a $200 Craftsman (or similar) cheap POS saw, and you will not only regret it later, you will not be satisfied by the inacuracy of a cheaper saw/fence. A table saw should be one tool you won't skimp on for quality, because it will be used for nearly every project in your shop.

When I uncrated the Grizzly, it took me an hour to assmeble it, but the Shop Fox fence system is worth it....I was particular in how I set the veneer scale, and it is accurate enough I don't have to double check with a ruler every time I set it...that is worth a lot, IMO, to also know when I lock the fence, it doesn't not "fudge" over, and it is perfectly straight...if you set my Delta (older model, job site saw) up without care, the results are less then acceptable.

I do have an antique Delta table saw that I willpart with....it is so old, the table travels up and down to change blade height, and tilts to set angles......the blade mandrel is "fixed"...now if you use a dinosaur like that, it works, but you won't enjoy what you are doing.

Ladwig Construction
Hennessey, Oklahoma

www.sawmillandtimberforum.com/



joasis is offline  
post #30 of 40 Old 01-08-2007, 10:41 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 48
View billybokay's Photo Album My Photos
For a small shop, get the festool circular saw , guide rail and multifunction table, and a portable tabelsaw and you will be amazed at how easy it is. I used to have 2 tablesaws and now I use the multifunction table and got rid of one of the table saws.
Watch the video on www.festoolusa.com . When working alone in a small space nothing beats it.
billybokay is offline  
post #31 of 40 Old 01-08-2007, 03:14 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 45
View gedereco's Photo Album My Photos
your right thats a great set up. why can't you get table saws like that in the uk. everyone i,ve seen have rubbish fenses ..

It's a small world we live in, but you wouldn't want to paint it.
gedereco is offline  
post #32 of 40 Old 09-13-2007, 10:09 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: El Paso, TX
Posts: 33
View GilaJorge's Photo Album My Photos
Exactly as the other Texan mentioned...do not forget scary sharp...the chisels you have even when new are not scary sharp...and you will appreciate the difference....as to heavy iron...table saw, joiner, band saw, are critical...larger air compressor about 5hp 60gal better...

I got a planer and have yet to use it...it just collects dust...for two years...so guess don't really need....

next is a hollow chisel mortiser...then a dovetail jig...and like Normie, I tend to change routers not bits...never have too many routers...oh, and I like trim saws for handy quick cuts on carcases...

Also I stock up and prime and rust-oleum paint 1.5inch angle stock in various lengths to use for clamping purposes and also to use for straight edges to ensure cuts are square...that way saws never wander...and glue does not stick to them if properly prepped...

I also have a wire feed mig welder for combining wood and metal work together...chop saw which is like the compound mitre saw of woodworking....sanders and grinders....run by compressed air....

Cant overemphasize eye and ear protection...voice of experience here...
GilaJorge is offline  
post #33 of 40 Old 08-12-2008, 07:03 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 17
View The General's Photo Album My Photos
If you are looking to get a tenon mortise or dovetail machine try richline machines they are the best i have found any where. Thanks Good Luck
The General is offline  
post #34 of 40 Old 08-12-2008, 09:10 PM
Senior Member KE4TQP
 
John in Tennessee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Nashville
Posts: 570
View John in Tennessee's Photo Album My Photos
craigslist.. If you try to buy new it'll kill you. Just take a buddy with you to look ans take cash and don't be afraid to dicker...

Last edited by John in Tennessee; 08-12-2008 at 09:16 PM.
John in Tennessee is offline  
post #35 of 40 Old 08-18-2008, 11:38 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 134
View Paul K's Photo Album My Photos
Send a message via Skype™ to Paul K
I'd agree with TTimbers, a table saw is the center of a decent shop. But it does depend on what you are hoping to do with it. If you are doing modest remodeling, then you have started out well. Yes, some chisels, a decent block plane, etc, (and you don't need great ones, you need to learn how to use them first, and how to sharpen them) and get a few drill's, drivers, sawsall, etc. BUT if you ARE going to make fancier things, like cabinets, and intend to use hardwoods where the wood all shows, then a table saw is the critical thing. I would also second what TT said, and seems to be sort of glossed over. I can't understand why folks talk about Griz, Steel city, rigid, etc, and NOT consider used. There are LOTS of great saws out there begging to be bought. An Oliver 270 D you might not find, nor want. But there are lots of unisaws, or Powermatics, and other great saws out there that have real iron in them, and fitted with a good modern fence, would be something that can not be duplicated today for anything less than $2000. Look on Craigslist or ebay or any of hundreds of other spots. I see such saws weekly that are less than $1000, and those are the ones that are in perfect condition, with very good fences etc. I see at least one a month where you can buy a great saw for $500 or less. If you are willing to look and wait, you can have one. (I have 3, so don't need too many more)
good luck
Paul K is offline  
post #36 of 40 Old 08-19-2008, 12:46 AM
No Longer Here
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 496
View user4178's Photo Album My Photos
You can get a Delta 36-979 Contractors saw for $499 and a Delta T2 fence for $150, both at Lowes, $650 total. Or you can look for a used Contractors saw IF you know what to look for. I just bought another Contractors saw last week, it's a old 34-600 Delta / Rockwell 9 inch saw with the factory stand, cast wings, and 1hp motor. I didn't realize how small these saws are, it doesn't take up hardly anymore room than the Skil benchtop on a stand that I had. I think it's a great little Contractors saw, especially for someone thats cramped on space, it runs smooth, and suprisingly it's heavy too, so I bought a mobile base for it. I don't have alot of money into this saw, but I do have some time into it cleaning it up, adding dust collection, makeing a switch mount and relocating the power switch, plus I would like to find another handwheel or a matching set. I may have to live with the fence, I will see how it works after I've used the saw a bit. A aftermarket fence would be too large for the saw, or I could practice some welding and see if I can comeup with a miniature clone fence, hopefully the factory fence won't be that bad. Overall though, I'm very happy with what I bought.

Last edited by user4178; 09-02-2008 at 07:32 PM.
user4178 is offline  
post #37 of 40 Old 08-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Powell River British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 2,279
View Gerry KIERNAN's Photo Album My Photos
Hi Nathan

If you are looking to outfit a small shop perhaps you should look at a Shopsmith Mark 5. I know this is not everybody's first choice, due to setup and change over time, as well as some members consider them to be under powered, but for a vesatile machine that will fit into a small space, I think this is worth considering. Also, I have seen some used units that are selling for a fraction of the new cost.

Gerry
Gerry KIERNAN is offline  
post #38 of 40 Old 08-19-2008, 04:38 PM
Forgotten but not gone
 
TexasTimbers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 5,689
View TexasTimbers's Photo Album My Photos
I think Nathan retired from his woodworking hobby before it ever got off the ground good.
TexasTimbers is offline  
post #39 of 40 Old 08-20-2008, 06:32 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 12
View Hacksaw's Photo Album My Photos
Another vote for scoping out used table saws in your area. Based on your price range, a used $600 table saw will be better than a new $600 table saw almost every time.

For example, when I was in the market, I almost pulled the trigger on a Ridgid TS3660 contractor saw ($549) on several occassions and changed my mind at the last minute. I ended up finding a good deal on a reconditioned Delta 36-715B hybrid saw with a T2 fence and mobile base included for $599. The Ridgid is a respectable contractor saw, but for only $50 more, I feel like I have a much better saw. The Delta would have run me around $900 new with nearly another $100 for the mobile base.

Last edited by Hacksaw; 08-20-2008 at 06:35 PM.
Hacksaw is offline  
post #40 of 40 Old 08-20-2008, 11:57 PM
Senior Member
 
clarionflyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: columbiana OH
Posts: 705
View clarionflyer's Photo Album My Photos
Hey TexasTimbers...
Teach me scary sharp! I've read all the stuff- I currently lay 800 grit on my table saw top (BIG NOTE to Nathan, table saw's are great for other things too!) and I use a guide to "polish" an edge on my planer blade but I don't think it's sharp enough.

Anyways: Nathan, you're lucky enough to have a plethora of saws to choose from (Texas is completely right, you need a great tablesaw). And you're lucky enough to have a ton of well informed folks at your finger tips. My two favorites (for new shops) are the Grizzly series and - if you want to spend a little more - the Craftsman 22114 (or 22124) is what I bought. Unless you're cutting professionally I can't imagine needing much more.
I've found that, with experience, I make about 80-90% of my cuts with my table saw.
Attached Images
 
clarionflyer is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Woodworking Talk - Woodworkers Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
DeWalt Planer Roll-a-round cabinet for small shop boondocker Project Showcase 5 11-01-2008 11:03 AM
small basement shop dust collector question btyirin General Woodworking Discussion 8 10-20-2008 11:09 AM
3 phase equipment carlis stephens Power Tools & Machinery 0 09-05-2008 08:23 PM
Setting up new small garage shop, want table saw advice, dust collector, etc. area123 Power Tools & Machinery 46 01-18-2008 09:04 AM
Where do you buy your tools & equipment? Nathan General Woodworking Discussion 12 11-21-2006 09:28 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome