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Another idea is to find a floor model drill press that meets your specifications and just cut the post off at the top or bottom and reattach what ever part you took off to make the post shorter.... Then you can mount it on the bench................... Custom made bench top drill press!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Another idea is to find a floor model drill press that meets your specifications and just cut the post off at the top or bottom and reattach what ever part you took off to make the post shorter.... Then you can mount it on the bench................... Custom made bench top drill press!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But the reduction in weight is very minimal. It was probably easier to move when it was taller. Another problem is the post is very likely turned down at the top, so unless you have a metal lathe you can't make this work. If the post was steel you could cut the section out of the middle, but it is likely cast iron. Cast iron can be welded, but it is complicated.
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Is the one you bought a benchtop or floor model? (your posting does not actually specify, and I THINK the only model Delta with 6" stroke is a floor model)

What does it weigh? (if it's the FLOOR model, it's about 250 lb I think!)

And, I prefer the "industrial" quality - provided that it does not weigh "a ton"!

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Yes, it's a floor model. But honestly it has a pretty small footprint and doesn't get in the way in my crowded shop. As for weight, me and my teenage son were able to move it off my utility trailer and into the shop - it certainly weighs less than any of my other stationary tools.

You're between a rock and a hard place. An industrial DP with cast iron table and 6" travel is not a lightweight tool. A lightweight bench model for the hobby guy isn't going to have that much quill travel.


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Another idea is to find a floor model drill press that meets your specifications and just cut the post off at the top or bottom and reattach what ever part you took off to make the post shorter.... Then you can mount it on the bench................... Custom made bench top drill press!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why go to all that bother, just get a bench top with the same specs as the floor model, most full size units come in both styles and are identical except for the post length.

OOPs, should have read the specs, that is a monster.

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Why go to all that bother, just get a bench top with the same specs as the floor model, most full size units come in both styles and are identical except for the post length.

OOPs, should have read the specs, that is a monster.
Yes, it IS a monster!!

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I just bought an old Atlas 1020 drill press. It has 4 inches of travel. The 1020 is a bench model but someone had changed the pole and base to a floor model. I bought it for $80 and then fixed it up.

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Do you have any idea of the weight of the Atlas?

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Jim I have scanned the internet and cannot find the weight of an Atlas drill press. If I had to guess it would 200+ pounds. I have added a bigger heavier motor and I added an 8 inch extension to the tube on the bottom to allow me to move the head up and down rather than move the table. I want to keep the table the height of my work bench to allow for a larger work area since my drill press is next to my work bench.

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Jim I have scanned the internet and cannot find the weight of an Atlas drill press. If I had to guess it would 200+ pounds. I have added a bigger heavier motor and I added an 8 inch extension to the tube on the bottom to allow me to move the head up and down rather than move the table. I want to keep the table the height of my work bench to allow for a larger work area since my drill press is next to my work bench.
Yeah, 200 lb is a problem. By making weight a factor in my machine choices, I can keep the total weight of the "shop" to about 324 lb., which makes using the trailer as the location, practical!! In that universe, 200 lb is too much to 'spend" on the drill press.

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post #30 of 62 Old 12-22-2015, 09:41 AM
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this one meets your requirements

I posted this one way back around post no. 2 ...

http://www.pts-tools.com/cgi/CGP2SRI...63441312528886

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I posted this one way back around post no. 2 ...

http://www.pts-tools.com/cgi/CGP2SRI...63441312528886
Yes, but it is 185 lb, which is a bit heavy for portability.

I was at a Woodcraft store yesterday, and noticed the small size, manageable weight, long strokes, and substantial motors of 2 of the mortisers, and asked one of the staff if a mortiser can function as a drill press. But, he told me that the "hood" that comes down around the chuck is so long that most drill bits are swallowed up and barely extend beyond the hood.

Another customer said I could "just get an ER32 Collet Chuck Extension" to get the drill bit out past the hood, but I lack the machine tool knowledge to even know what he was talking about. :(

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Right now the 2 leading contenders are:

At Home Depot: (still on website, but might no longer be available)
Steel City Model # 20130VS Internet # 204766619 13 in. Variable Speed Drill Press
108 lb, true Variable Speed (!), Digital Read Out, 3.25” travel
10”w x 16”d x 30”h (2.8 cu ft)
$379 direct + freight

Jet JDP-15M
16 speeds (pulleys, NOT true VS), 3.25” stroke, 3/4 hp
13w x 31d (including a large table) x 39.5h
150 lb (pretty heavy to move regularly)
$540 shipped on Amazon

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OK, this just occured to me ...

Why not look into a Shop Smith? It's got all your tools on one platform which can be rolled in or out.

The only disadvantage is the table saw, which require you tilt the very small table for bevels, BUT for most cuts a miter will work instead. The best part is the variable speed lathe and drill press in my opinion. I've never owned one myself, but some owners rave about them.... just ask them.
Craig's List or Ebay will have some:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-SvTOOUgwQ


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHOPSMITH-MA...3D252165037275

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Why not look into a Shop Smith? It's got all your tools on one platform which can be rolled in or out. The only disadvantage is the table saw, which require you tilt the very small table for bevels, BUT for most cuts a miter will work instead. The best part is the variable speed lathe and drill press in my opinion. I've never owned one myself, but some owners rave about them.... just ask them. Craig's List or Ebay will have some: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-SvTOOUgwQ http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHOPSMITH-MA...3D252165037275
He wants light. A shop smith is pretty dang heavy. He is going to have to get over the weight requirements or give up size, because such a tool doesn't exist.
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It has casters so ....

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He wants light. A shop smith is pretty dang heavy. He is going to have to get over the weight requirements or give up size, because such a tool doesn't exist.

With casters he won't have to carry it. It will roll in and out of the trailer easily, with a good ramp. Why carry it when you can roll it? Weight won't be a factor and will actually make it more stable AND where else can you get 5 machines in a bicycle sized space? And you get a long throw drill press, the original request.

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I have never seen a cargo trailer ramp those casters would roll up. The steps on his front porch throw a real monkey wrench in the plan. The gravel driveway even further makes the casters useless.

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let him decide...

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I have never seen a cargo trailer ramp those casters would roll up. The steps on his front porch throw a real monkey wrench in the plan. The gravel driveway even further makes the casters useless.
You may have good points, but that's a decision only he will best make. Besides, It may solve other issues for space, I donno? Larger casters will help on a ramp, but a gravel driveway would require some plywood sheets. Depends on how much in and out is on the program. This whole concept is begging for a better answer in my opinion, but with limited space and funds we are trying to help as best we can.

I think he would find uses for the lathe for making small toys. A disc sander would be good also. You don't need a cabinet saw for small parts.... etc...

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Personally, I think he would be better off abandoning the trailer idea, but that is his decision.
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Why not look into a Shop Smith? It's got all your tools on one platform which can be rolled in or out.

The only disadvantage is the table saw, which require you tilt the very small table for bevels, BUT for most cuts a miter will work instead. The best part is the variable speed lathe and drill press in my opinion. I've never owned one myself, but some owners rave about them.... just ask them.
Craig's List or Ebay will have some:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-SvTOOUgwQ


http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHOPSMITH-MA...3D252165037275
The Shopsmith is too large and too heavy to be "portable". I want portable.

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A workable plan is coming together.

The SawStop is definitely the saw solution. It is a bit bigger than I would like overall, but the safety of that saw stopping technology is worth the size penalty to me. The features are fantastic. GREAT ergonomics, fast/easy use, and quality. Removing the cart it comes with, leaves the saw dimensions at 31.75” W x 28.75” D (26.63 if you disregard the crank handle that sticks out) x 15.5” high. The weight, at 79 lb, is fine.

The planer will be a DW734 versus the DW735, simply because it is both lighter (80 lb versus 92) and considerably smaller in "footprint" (17w x 24d x 21h versus 26.63"w x 23.75" with tables folded as far as possible x 14.5h). The smaller 12.5” capacity, single speed, manual versus auto cutterhead lock, and no thickness stops, are unimportant to my use, and the 734, unlike the 735, does include the feed tables as standard equipment!).

The combination belt/disc sander will be the Rockwell RK7866, which is 10.6”w x21.75”d x 12.6”h and weighs only 45 lb.

The arbor press will be a Jet AP-1 which is 5"w x 10.75"d x12"h and weighs only 27 lb. Its vertical clearance will handle the maximum 5" height I need, and its 1 ton capacity is more than enough.

So, so far the entire equipment package, before drill press, will fit onto a 59.25" x 26.63" footprint or benchtop, and the weight is only a total of 231 lb! This will fit into either the insulated trailer, or into an insulated & heated cabinet on the porch. In either location, the one tool being used at any point in time would simply be lifted onto either a portable foldable stand that can accommodate any of the 5 machines, OR, if on the porch, simply placed on top of the machine storage cabinet. It is of NO inconvenience to me to work this way one machine at a time.

A custom cabinet on the porch would need to only have an interior height of whatever height the drill press needs, and an INTERIOR footprint only larger than 59.25" x 26.63" by whatever footprint the drill press adds! This is surely practical (The porch is 90" x 127")

SO, THIS IS WHY the size and weight of the drill press are worth minimizing . . .

I am sooooo close now to having a workable plan.

If I reset my drill press requirements to the absolute minimums, in order to really minimize the weight and footprint, here's what they look like:

- Spindle stroke >= 3.25". The 3.25" versus 4" spindle stroke would necessitate some design limits on the toys I make.

- Enough power to drive a 1.5" Forstner bit into up to 1" of some very hard woods (Zebrawood, Padauk, Purpleheart, etc). The 1.5" diameter by 1" depth hole requirement is a VERY common occurrence in the toys I like to make

- Either step speeds or ideally fully variable speed, so I can optimize the rpm for any given material and size of hole to get high quality results

- Benchtop, not floor model, as I want it to fit into the storage cabinet if on the porch, or remain stably upright when in a moving trailer

- As low an overall height as possible, as the drill press will easily be the highest individual machine height, and therefor sets the height requirements for the storage cabinet or space.

- Weight no more than about 125 lb, and ideally as low as possible consistent with the above dimensional and power requirements, and overall quality.

These minimum specs are now what I will focus on.

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