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post #21 of 31 Old 12-20-2018, 09:48 PM
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found a 5 hp PM 66 on craigslist ...... is there a downside for a 5 hp compared to a 3 hp saw
May use a 12" blade and draws more power. If your hobbist or advanced hobbist, would question the need other than the stock your cutting

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post #22 of 31 Old 12-20-2018, 10:11 PM
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I actually own a 5 HP Powermatic 12"

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found a 5 hp PM 66 on craigslist ...... is there a downside for a 5 hp compared to a 3 hp saw

The 5 HP is a beast! It has so much torque, nothing will slow it down. That also means "nothing will slow it down" ....the potential for a kickback with that much power is very real. Mine is "scary powerful".

I much prefer the 3 Hp 12" Craftsman table saws, they are just less intimidating. My first rip on the 5 HP was a scrap of shipping crate Pine and I used it without the splitter in place because "I know what I'm doing, been doin' it for years " ... The piece of wood exploded and went in all directions all over the shop. That didn't go well. I installed the splitter and never had another kickback issue after that, BUT it sure gained my respect. Unless you are ripping 3" stock for hours on end, a 5 Hp is not advised.

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I have owned the grizzly 690 for just over a year and I love the saw. I build high end cabinets and furniture full time and that saw keeps up well with our current workflow.

The one thing I will saw about grizzly tools is that they are amazing quality and construction for the value, but often (especially with the table saws) there are multiple tools in a line with very small differences, or “trade offs”. The heart of a good table saw, for me, is a solid fence. That’s why I went with the 690, and I’m happy I did.

It also depends on your expectations. Like I said, I do this as a full time job, and I’m not really concerned about driving the Ferrari to work. As long as it looks ok and performs accurately, I’m ok with that. If your shop is your hobby, a powermatic or sawstop are probably more in your wheelhouse. But if you are more concerned about the results, and don’t care about the funky white and green and dialing everything to the 10,000/inch, well the 690 is a good option.
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A couple years ago I had my first and last (I hope) kickback and if I hadn't had ins it would have been mare then a new Sawstop. But the stopping feature wouldn't have prevented it but a riving knife very likely would have
True, that. You can still experience a kickback from a SawStop table saw. SawStop table saws include features like a riving knife to help prevent kickbacks, but they cannot eliminate them. Those anti-kickback features (riving knives, anti-kickback pawls, etc.) are common to new table saws from many brands, not just SawStop.

If you buy a SawStop, you will get a very good table saw, but they cost a lot more than other table saws. That extra cost is like an insurance policy against a specific category of severe accident.

A kickback can also result in a severe injury. Whatever table saw you own, you should follow good operational safety practices. That goes without saying.
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found a 5 hp PM 66 on craigslist ...... is there a downside for a 5 hp compared to a 3 hp saw
They both use a 10" blade but bigger motors use more juice. Are you sure the one you saw is not 3 phase? You don't want to deal with that. You would have to replace the motor or invest big bucks in a VFD. The 66 is darn near indestructable but it does not have a riving knife and I have heard said that 5hp saws cut so effortlessly that things can get away from you in a hurry. I am just repeating other posts, no personal experience.

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Question: aside from when the blade is used tilted, doesn't a splitter do the same thing as a riving knife? That is not to say all cuts will be 90 but most usually are.
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I have employees, so I got rid of my Unisaw and replaced it with the 5hp industrial model of SawStop. The SS is a much better saw than the Unisaw. Don't run a saw W/O a riving knife unless you don't value your hands! It only takes one time to more than pay for the SS safety AND you get to keep your fingers!
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The difference is .....

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Question: aside from when the blade is used tilted, doesn't a splitter do the same thing as a riving knife? That is not to say all cuts will be 90 but most usually are.

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The splitter came first, then came the riving knife which is an evolutionary improvement. The original splitters also carried the blade guard which mounted on the top of it. It was on a parallel arm arrangement, but could be positioned above the thickest workpiece, out of the way. BUT it was still in the way.

https://www.woodmagazine.com/saws/al...-safe-rip-cuts


The riving knife raises and lowers with the blade so it's not in the way even for "stopped" cuts which a splitter can not do since it's taller than the maximum blade height and remains at that height. I removed my plastic blade guards from the splitter on my saws, since the width kept me from pushing thinner stock in between the blade and the fence. My approach is sort of a "hybrid" like this one:
https://www.table-saw-guide.com/table-saw-splitter.html

My newer Craftsman hybrid 22124 10" table has has a riving knife which just pops off when it's it the way. And it tilts with the blade and raises and lowers with it. What's not to like? Given a choice between 2 saws, one with a riving knife, the other with a splitter, I would definitely choose the riving knife!

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They both use a 10" blade but bigger motors use more juice. Are you sure the one you saw is not 3 phase? You don't want to deal with that. You would have to replace the motor or invest big bucks in a VFD. The 66 is darn near indestructable but it does not have a riving knife and I have heard said that 5hp saws cut so effortlessly that things can get away from you in a hurry. I am just repeating other posts, no personal experience.

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Actually the VFD's have really dropped in price you can get one for a 5 hp motor for a few hundred bucks


The first VFD's I ever worked on used vacuum tubes for the rectifier, the first solid state ones I worked on were extremely high priced, a 5 hp ran over $10,000, was the size of a side by side reefer

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I got a little careless today and my 1 1/2 hp craftsman contractor saw kicked a piece of wood back at me ..... I was really glad it wasnt a 5 hp saw when that happened ..........
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If you've got the electrical power, no down side that I can think of. Never hurts to have a bit of extra power. Very useful for ripping. I bought a 5hp 12/14" Delta, used, to rip with. Mounted a power feed on a column next to it. 5 hp wasn't enough for serious work. Put a 10hp on it. Now it is fine.
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tariff issue

One thing to watch on Grizzly's price is the country or origin, there is a 25% tariff on any that come from China. But the table saws were about the first thing they imported in 1983 and most are made in Taiwan

I have a friend who ordered a Grizzly 8" jointer back in July or August. Grizzly finally gave up trying to get it from China because of the tariff issue mentioned, so Grizzly switched to making them in Taiwan, but when it arrived last week it was broken in pieces. Very discouraging. I don't hold all that against Grizzly as they make fine products, just the timing of everything....
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