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post #1 of 10 Old 11-15-2019, 11:10 PM Thread Starter
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Hi everyone!
About a year ago I bought some woodworking tools (a practically new DW735 on a stand and the old bandsaw I posted about last week) from a guy who inherited them when his father in law died. He had no intention to use them.

He tossed a box of various hand tools, a bench top router table and router, a plunge router, and a few other things.

I need some help figuring out what some of the hand tools are.

Here are some pics...

The center squares are self explanatory but how do you use them?

Are any of the wooden bodied hand planes home-made?

Are Bailey, Record, Sargent or Qualified decent brands? I've never heard of them and they look to be from before my time.

Is the Stanley Handyman the same as Stanley? Or is it like a sub-brand intended for the weekend warrior type of woodworker?

Thanks in advance for your help!

I feel like I got a pretty good deal. Like I said, the planer was practically brand new and I bought it, the band saw, the 2 routers, benchtop router table, and the box of hand tools for $500.

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post #2 of 10 Old 11-16-2019, 04:31 AM
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Going down the list

1) looks like generic shoulder plane, could be almost anything, probably not worth much
2) vintage style rabbiting spokeshave. Without a maker mark, could be almost anything. Could be valuable.
3) kitt center finder, cheap
4) looks to be a hock kit plane, I wouldnt call it valuable, but they are quality.
5) generic super vintage smoothing plane; can be found pretty cheap at flea markets. Probably just a show piece (thats what I use them for)
6) irwin spokeshave, good quality, not super expensive
7) bailey #18 plane, not expensive.
8) stanley handyman was the budget tool line, but that thing looks pretty solid to me.
9) hock kit plane, not valuable, especially while damaged like that.
10) couple of sargent planes, not really valuable. Hard to tell models by the front shot
11) irwin block planes. Those are pretty pricey new, and they look pretty new lol

All in all, these look mostly quality. The wooden planes are probably not the greatest in their condition, but the irons should absolutely be salvaged. Hock blades are fantastic. Sargent and irwin are respectable brands. This would be such a welcome addition to any woodworkers shop, and frankly, unless you paid too much (doubt it by the sounds of things), id say you have a very respectable collection now.

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1) Stanley handyman is the "budget line"
2) Irwin (record here), bailey, hock, and sargent are quality tools.
3) Not ALWAYS... but generally tools that are "blue" like that are irwin
4) purely for the fact the one is for sure a hock kit, I'd argue the others are as well; dont believe they are handmade. The super old beat up vintage one IS, but that things 100+ years old probably lol
5) the "center square" is for round stock. It works identically to the photograph Im going to link.

congrats on the tool haul, Im quite jealous of some of those!

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Sorry for repeat post, but to follow up, I'd pull out all the irons in those planes and show them as well. Looks like a few are swapped, you might have won the lottery on those alone.
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post #4 of 10 Old 11-16-2019, 06:27 AM
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For $500 including the power tools, that was a deal of a lifetime.
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For $500 including the power tools, that was a deal of a lifetime.
Agreed. Those block planes alone are like 250$ lol. Those hock blades probably make up the rest of the 500 there lol. A real good shop kick starter for sure.
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Thanks guys! I'm not 100% sure but it sounds like you want to me take some pictures of the "blades" from the hand planes. Is that correct? If so I'll gladly to so to get a better understanding of what I have.

I'm glad to hear someone say they make up a respectable collection for a shop. Now I just gotta learn how to restore/repair them and then use them!

I typically watch Rob Cosman when wanting to find out anything about hand planes and dove tails... Can you guys name any other people worth checking out when it comes to learning how to work on/work with hand planes?

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Yup, blades from hand planes are typically referred to as "irons". And *definitely* respectable tools there.


Good youtubers (imo)

Instructional -> I stay away from CNC only, power tool bashers, hobbyists, and "makers" in regards to "instructional". No issues with handtooling only, some people spend 5 out of 10 minutes explaining why a power router is evil and why traditional woodworking is "only way". Its more political than woodworking lol.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheWoodWhisperer The wood whisperer, should need no introduction around here. Mostly power, but ultimately a hybrid worker.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0n...DMrPAbbij6oXIw David Fletcher. YES its luthiery, BUT INCREDIBLY informative, especially great for jointing, routing, and finishing techniques. Useful in all woodworking
https://www.youtube.com/user/mcremona Matt Cremona, younger guy, great work.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxW...EOLr1JkKH0ZMyg Matt Estlea, Im not sure if he's out of puberty yet haha. Its ok, Im in my mid 30s and still look like that. Hes also quite good.
https://www.youtube.com/user/6488jesse Samurai Woodworker, Jesse is a real good guy. Quality work and instruction.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm8...YNd1MemitETdbA Kings woodworking. Lots of good stuff, although sometimes slightly difficult to swallow lol.

Honorable mentions... (I dont particularly care for these guys myself, a little too "homebrew" for my tastes.
https://www.youtube.com/user/stevinmarin steve ramsey. Hes entertaining and is really geared to hobbyists and newcomers
https://www.youtube.com/user/Matthiaswandel .... Matthias wandel... im not his biggest fan, has some cool projects here and there, but kinda just "does stuff to do stuff"; (substance vs quality). Some of his jigs are gold though
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChK...Lg8eZHIX0iVzLA DIY Creators, some really really cool projects here and there, but again more geared to entry level hobbyist stuff usually.



Showcase (These will be more to my subjective personal tastes). These will not be "instructional", but have awesome quality and craftsmanship (in both the work and the videos). I stay away from CNC based workers usually. I have NO problems with CNC work at ALL, I just find it incredibly boring to watch!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0R...KleJsEj2h5cPow Young Je, hand tools and great stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7F...U5I8FCHXQSQe9Q I****ani, hybrid worker, VERY cool shop
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCql...36tFP-cXwJI7IQ Atilla's workshop. Newer guy, super cool shop and amazing quality of work
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY-...gI2Rxcb7g4AtOg Pedulla Studio. Another newer guy, doesn't upload much, but check out his shop at least. Incredible work
https://www.youtube.com/user/tomfidgen EXCLUSIVE hand tool worker.... I get tired just watching this guy lol
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiE...z0hZNIBBpowdYQ A man that needs no introduction lol. Took me a while to get into him, but im glad I did.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRi...BNDpEFY561eSzw Laura is entertaining and has some cool projects. I stick to her woodworking projects though.

Im for sure missing some, but this is a good list to get you started.
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1) looks like generic shoulder plane, could be almost anything, probably not worth much

Looks like you were spot on with this one as well. I found a video from Paul Sellers that shows how to make one. He calls it a "Poor man's rebate plane".


I love his reaction after he tries it for the first time...it's almost as if he didn't expect it to work at all.
https://youtu.be/yTuOtmlRhAI?t=3234

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The big old wooden plane has a lot of cracking, but check it and its blade very carefully for stamping names and dates.
A famous name could make it worth restoring. if theres no names, its mostly firewood.

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With the centre square you draw to lines perpendicular to each other across the end, where they cross is the centre of the round stock.

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