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post #41 of 51 Old 02-22-2013, 12:14 AM
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To me the whole thread covers the whole spectrum of sharpening, from the cost effective "scarey sharp" method of using fine grits of W/D sandpaper and cardboard to a fair representation of expensive water stone.

All I can add is that there was an omission of "deburring" wheels, not so far removed from Cratex. I find them useful in rehabbing the "rough shape mildly surface rusted chisels and carving tools prior to investing time to try and establish a keen edge. I do like to be frugal, and odd sharpening gizmos do tend t0 be on the pricey sidel

At gsales, nothing differentiates deburring wheels from normal grinding stones except for three characteristics..
1. They are lighter than what you would expect
2, They dont have a ring to them (which with a normal girding wheel would indicate a fracture and you should avoid them)
3 they feel a tad rubbery.

One of my local industrial suppliers stocks em and sells them at 150 a pop, just a tad more than normal grinding wheels.

In the last 6 mos, since I've been tuned into what thy are, I've picked up three of em for about 5 bucks each, simply because they look like normal used grinding wheels, which ain't worth more than a couple of bucks if that much!

The sellers were likely laughing at me for buying them at 5 bucks, but I had the last laugh eh?

BTW, I don't mount them on a grinder, just mount them on an arbor and chuck em in the drill press (nice slow speed)

Other weird sh*t around the sharpening bench is a jool too (another garage sale find-just another piece of plastic crap to some folks I guess with a bunch of attachments.) And a barbers razor strop. Diamond stones of various grits too!

I must confess I ventured into the "carvers" sharp spectrum a while back and while most of my day ti day sharpening is less demanding, It is a ramp up the off-the-shelf items from the normal chisel and plane blade requirements for day to day work, I grok that aspect of the sharpening world entirely now! Outside of sharpening stones, polishing compounds, another item which seems to NOT be commonly mentioned in discussions of sharpening methodology and tools is a simple dissecting microscope. Which lets you see real close up what the edge looks like after all yer efforts.

It's not a OCD tool, just helps you ID and will hopefully understand and solve sharpening problems (does yer buffing wheel round off the edge or not? is my TS blade still sharp ?) On kijiji or craigslist 20-50 bucks will do the trick. Some of my watch/clock maker friends actually have one of these mounted over their precision lathe

Eric

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I wish I could sit and sharpen tools by hand. But I can't. Not enough Hours in a day. Can not afford to spend more time sharpening than I do using my tools .Since I got my Tormek last year I have sharpened everything from large Chipper Blades, Wood Chisels, Plane Irons,Knives, and you could shave with them all. But you need shaving cream. The Tormek saved me a lot of Money and Time. I needed to replace all of my Sharpening gear anyway.
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A note on the Scary Sharp method... one of the concerns I had with it which was realized was cost. I was given my diamond plates as a gift, but they're a package that I could have got on sale for around $65. I paid $5 for a piece of leather for a strop, and had some MDF and spray adhesive already. Call the total price $75. That rig will probably work correctly for years, possibly decades: I don't know about the longevity of diamond plates, but I doubt they'll fail anytime soon. Oh, and I paid about $5 for a stick of polishing compound for the strop, and I may run out sometime before the turn of the century.

I was buying my wet/dry paper at WoodCraft, since it was the cheapest paper I could find that didn't tear as soon as I got it wet. There I think I was paying about 70 cents per sheet, though the price may have changed -- five packs are listing at $5.29 on their website. I could sharpen all of my tools once on a single sheet of each grit I used, if they just needed touchup. If we average the two prices and figure I went two grits each time I sharpened, that's about $2 every time I sharpened. Think about how often you sharpen... $2.00 doesn't sound bad, but if you've got enough tools to need more than a sheet of each grit, or just if you sharpen weekly, that gets pricey fast. Sharpening weekly means you're spending $100/year. Going up through the grits starting at 80 means six sheets of paper. That's six dollars to get a new tool sharp. Not bad, really, unless you do it a lot....


Anyway, I'm not going to tell people to use some other method. But I just saw Eric's mention of it as a "cost effective" sharpening method, and wanted to point out that if you sharpen a lot, it may not be as cheap as you think. It's certainly not absurdly expensive, but averaged over a couple of years it's almost certainly going to be cheaper to buy an inexpensive set of diamond plates or oil stones.
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alex, i hear you on the cost of the paper. fortunately for me, i work for 3M, and every so often my office has pallet sales where they sell the sandpaper and all sorts of other 3m stuff at pennies for the dollar.

as an example, at the last pallet sale, i grabbed a 100 pack of 500 grit 8x11 sheets for $2, and about 10 other 5-packs of different grits, all for $8. there is another sale today. i am going to stock up like crazy this time.

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alex, i hear you on the cost of the paper. fortunately for me, i work for 3M, and every so often my office has pallet sales where they sell the sandpaper and all sorts of other 3m stuff at pennies for the dollar.

as an example, at the last pallet sale, i grabbed a 100 pack of 500 grit 8x11 sheets for $2, and about 10 other 5-packs of different grits, all for $8. there is another sale today. i am going to stock up like crazy this time.
So, once you're fully stocked... would they frown on you for sharing the wealth on here some with some S&H? I know some businesses do and some don't care...

Also, I've found recently that a quick wipe on an uncharged leather strop I made keeps me from having to sharpen very often at all.

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alex, i hear you on the cost of the paper. fortunately for me, i work for 3M, and every so often my office has pallet sales where they sell the sandpaper and all sorts of other 3m stuff at pennies for the dollar.

as an example, at the last pallet sale, i grabbed a 100 pack of 500 grit 8x11 sheets for $2, and about 10 other 5-packs of different grits, all for $8. there is another sale today. i am going to stock up like crazy this time.
That'd help with the price, all right!

And like I said, it's not that ridiculous anyway. For someone who sharpens as much as I do it's maybe $50-75 for a year of sharpening. That's not bad, on an objective scale.
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So, once you're fully stocked... would they frown on you for sharing the wealth on here some with some S&H? I know some businesses do and some don't care...

Also, I've found recently that a quick wipe on an uncharged leather strop I made keeps me from having to sharpen very often at all.
i don't think they'd care, or if they would even have a way to determine that i was being generous.
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I'd buy some off of you.....

The tools don't make the craftsman....
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all they had this time was 50 packs of the 500, 240, and "medium" cloth sheets that feel like around 100 grit. i grabbed a bunch of those.

i grabbed a bunch of it. there were a few of the 1/2 sheets of the higher grits that i grabbed too
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alex, i hear you on the cost of the paper. fortunately for me, i work for 3M, and every so often my office has pallet sales where they sell the sandpaper and all sorts of other 3m stuff at pennies for the dollar.

as an example, at the last pallet sale, i grabbed a 100 pack of 500 grit 8x11 sheets for $2, and about 10 other 5-packs of different grits, all for $8. there is another sale today. i am going to stock up like crazy this time.
Ya gotta rub it in. :) I recently paid 6 something for four half sheets.
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so i was wrong about how cheap they were. it was $3 for a 50-pack, not $2 for a 100-pack. still pretty good.

the cloth stuff was more expensive.

today i got six 50-packs of the 500 grit, four 5-packs of the 240 grit, seven 4-packs of the 1500 grit, and one 50-pack of the 100-ish grit cloth stuff.

pm me if you'd like some; i'll share the wealth so long as you cover the shipping and a kick in maybe a little to help offset my costs.
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