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post #41 of 80 Old 06-08-2012, 06:34 PM
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Keith, I've been admiring the collection of planes thus far. Very nice especially being it appears you are a user as rather than a collector.

Very nice looking set of hollows and rounds, obviously new, who's the maker?
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Without wanting to offend those who have advocated starting with a very inexpensive plane, I would suggest at least a middle of the price or a higher price plane to start. If you don't know how a well tuned plane should work how will you know what to do with a cheap plane? Jim if you want to start with a couple of cheap users I'll send you these 3 for free, just pay the cost of shipping.

Here are a couple of cheap planes which I've found to work very well.
My stars, Keith, I have never seen a lot of those planes before they are beautiful. You weren't kidding about being expensive, those in your link are way beyond my budget. I am sending you a PM Keith, I can't thank you enough for your offer.

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I feel kinda dumb now being I actually clicked the link... Very nice set of hollows and rounds but there are certainly more cost effective options out there!
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That's what I thought when I first decided to get a set of hollows & rounds, and the reason I have so many of them. The first set I bought on ebay was a few hundred dollars. They looked good in the pics and a fair number were in reasonable shape but they just didn't cut well so after scouring ebay for over a year I found what I thought was a good set from england. Again most were in reasonable shape, some warped, some abused but they weren't quite usable. I bought books and dvd's on planes but after talking to Larry Williams about re-grinding my irons, something he doesn't do by the way, I learned that the old plane bodies shrink a bit over the decades. So not wanting to spend the money for new I tried to grind my own irons. After destroying a few I paid a machine shop to re-grind all the irons. $500-$600 later they cut reasonably well by if you weren't really careful they would leave large grooves in the material which would either destroy the piece or require a lot of sanding. When I finally got the set from C & W the difference in the way they worked made me truly regret not buying quality from the start.

Here is pic of a mantel made with molding planes
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The lower angle is a less of an aggressive angle (not as steep). It lays flatter and works better on end grain. It's a good plane to have, and so would be an ordinary block plane.




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Well so much for a block plane, I do have one but it is junk to start off with and then it also is cracked. It has a number 110 and no name on it, there isn't any adjustment wheel on it. I also found a spoke shave or maybe it is a scrapper, Stanley #80 out in the shop.

I have watched how they set up a plane on the educational channel and I still don't know how far back to set the frog from the opening.

I do have a #4 and I am embarrassed to say the blade was in backwards, I know nothing of a plane but I really do want to learn. I did turn the blade around and made a couple of passes over the end grain of a piece of Walnut that was laying there and believe it or not it cut fairly well, I can only imagine how a well tuned very sharp plane would cut. I plan to get some books and read all I can find, I am excited about learning to use a plane.

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That's what I thought when I first decided to get a set of hollows & rounds, and the reason I have so many of them. The first set I bought on ebay was a few hundred dollars. They looked good in the pics and a fair number were in reasonable shape but they just didn't cut well so after scouring ebay for over a year I found what I thought was a good set from england. Again most were in reasonable shape, some warped, some abused but they weren't quite usable. I bought books and dvd's on planes but after talking to Larry Williams about re-grinding my irons, something he doesn't do by the way, I learned that the old plane bodies shrink a bit over the decades. So not wanting to spend the money for new I tried to grind my own irons. After destroying a few I paid a machine shop to re-grind all the irons. $500-$600 later they cut reasonably well by if you weren't really careful they would leave large grooves in the material which would either destroy the piece or require a lot of sanding. When I finally got the set from C & W the difference in the way they worked made me truly regret not buying quality from the start.

Here is pic of a mantel made with molding planes
I would love to have been there and watched you make the trim on that mantel.

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I do have a #4 and I am embarrassed to say the blade was in backwards, I know nothing of a plane but I really do want to learn. I did turn the blade around and made a couple of passes over the end grain of a piece of Walnut that was laying there and believe it or not it cut fairly well, I can only imagine how a well tuned very sharp plane would cut. I plan to get some books and read all I can find, I am excited about learning to use a plane.
I bought a mid 90's stanley #4, and my uncle gave me his stanley #6. (he thinks it's 70's. I dunno know enough about them to date, but the cap does have the kidney shaped screw hole.)

Both of them had the blades in upside down. You aren't the only one who has had a plane with the blade in upside down. So don't feel bad about it. People learn by making mistakes.
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And here are some planes I use for making handrails and fittings.

http://www.planemaker.com/products.html
The hollows & rounds are certainly more expensive than a hobbyist can justify, let the bashing begin...
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You set the frog back as far as you want depending on the shaving you're taking. Farther back for rough work and tightly forward for smoothing. Hand Tool Essentials is a really good book covering everything from sharpening to nomenclature to the awl of all things. Popular Woodworking book that is a compilation of several authors advise and it's very well illustrated. It also covers plane restoration and buying used. I highly recommend it for new hand tool users. It's a contant companion of mine.
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Thanks Evilfrog, that makes me feel a little better. It is a shame to have been around all these great tools all my life and didn't pay them any attention until now. My dad and Granddad were carpenters, they used the old tools, I wish I had paid attention back then. When I started carpentry work back in the early 60s we had the old hand miter saw, that was one accurate saw. When the electric saws came out we bought one and the move away from the great old tools began, I really hate that now.

ACP. I looked inside that book online and you are right, that is a book to own for sure, I do appreciate that.

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I have been talking to a fellow down in Georgia named Johnny Kleso. He is a really nice guy, and knows planes. He also taught classes on hand planes, I was hoping to be able to take a class from him but he isn't feeling up to having classes any more, has anyone heard of Johnny? He gave me two links that are really good to have.
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http://www.stanleytoolparts.com/beplcu.html

He also gave me some advise, he said if I bought a new blade for the old planers I would really enjoy using the plane.

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I am just blown away, Keith Mathewson sent me three really nice planes in the mail and they arrived today. I gave them a try and they are really easy to use. Keith knows how to sharpen a plane for sure, they cut through the wood effortlessly. If I had known planes could be this easy to use I would have put more effort into learning how to use them and how to sharpen them, here are the three he sent me.


Keith, I can't thank you enough, I am like a kid with a new toy, well three new toys. I am really looking forward to learning how to use these. I just sent you a PM. Thanks again.

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Nice planes Jiju, and well done Keith! Looks like an excellent set!
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Wow!

That's a score.
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That's a great way to pay it forward. Amazing how much support there is here.

As for hand planes. Tuning one up was the first revelation. Sharpening one was the second. Then on to the Hock blades......

Just goes on from there......
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Keith sharpened the blades up very very sharp before he sent them to me and that is a big plus to me as I can see how they should be sharpened. I have a piece of dried Mesquite that a buddy gave me to put on my smoker, I test my carving knives by cutting across the end grain of some hard wood. I set the small plane and it cut across the end grain like it was nothing and left a glossy look which is a good indication of sharpness.

With the tips and the planes Keith gave me I am on my way to discovering why so many love a good sharp plane.

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The Hand Plane Book by; Garrett Hack would be my first read. Well written and it's at the novice level.

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Hand planes interest me as well. I love to see photos of hand planes found at flea markets and restored as brand new. I will be giving time to visit these links. Like you, I am trying to learn as much as I can.
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I went to a resale shop with the wife a few weeks ago, and Bought 2 older planes, No nothing about. Ran across your Post and have learned some I have 1 tore down and redoing it mainly just rust, and the Blade is dule, Kinda neat to use planes, I hope to add both to my workbench and use on projects. Thanks for the Sites.

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Just picked up the handplane book from the library today. After cleaning up a no 4 I have I'm going to try my hand at restoring a no 27 transition. When I get to that will def do some posting as I'd like to avoid putting a new sole on if possible but it's not in great shape.

Can't wait to get through the book.
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