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For each of your German chisel I will trade it with a full set of new harbor freight chisels. Deal?

My first chisel set was HF set for $9.99. Their edges would roll over after a few uses. The steel was simply too soft. I spent about $75 to buy a better set. Then I basically had to beg people to take my HF set for free. I should have saved it to trade you with the worst of your German chisels.

Let me if you are interested in the trade.

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Have those $9.99 HF chisels but prefer to use the $9.99 three pack of old Stanley chisels. Have a HF plane as well. The steel they use in their blades is terrible or heat treated terribly.
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Have those $9.99 HF chisels but prefer to use the $9.99 three pack of old Stanley chisels. Have a HF plane as well. The steel they use in their blades is terrible or heat treated terribly.
It is the steel I believe. It simply doesn't have proper percentage of carbon in it, or it is just mild steel. I even tried hardening and re-tempering. Didn't make a slight of difference. A few light parings on pine end grain would dull the edge. Under magnifying lens I could see the apex of the edge folded over. No chipping though. When sharpened on water stone, it produced a lingering burr, which is sign of soft steel.

Well, $9.99 for a set of 6, I got what I paid for; a bunch of mild steel spikes with wood handles.

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It is the steel I believe. It simply doesn't have proper percentage of carbon in it, or it is just mild steel. I even tried hardening and re-tempering. Didn't make a slight of difference. A few light parings on pine end grain would dull the edge. Under magnifying lens I could see the apex of the edge folded over. No chipping though. When sharpened on water stone, it produced a lingering burr, which is sign of soft steel.

Well, $9.99 for a set of 6, I got what I paid for; a bunch of mild steel spikes with wood handles.

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I heat treated the plane iron with the same result.
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I have the Stanley Bailey set and have been very happy with it.

5 chisels + leather roll for $64. Made in England. The backs required more work to flatten than I would've liked, but they have been good chisels for the money. Hold an edge well and are easy to sharpen. The handles are beefy, so I probably wouldn't use them for detail work like dovetails.
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I have a set of Stanley wood chisels. They are good and like any edged tool, they need sharpened.
crazybrit, remember that if you buy in one country and bring them back to GB, you might be hit with import duties. Had to pay import duties for a label maker that went from the USA to Canada.

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I have a set of the Wood River bench chisels (these), and they've worked out quite well. I had some trouble with them initially, but that was solved by learning to sharpen.

I'd stay away from both the cheapest tools and the highest priced tools. The first may not be very good in the long run, and you're unlikely to get your money's worth from the second.

Also, don't forget to include a budget for sharpening. I'm happy with my DMT plates, but as far as I'm concerned there isn't really a "wrong" method of sharpening, so pick what you're comfortable with.
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In case it matters, I bought a used set of four Crown chisels for an excellent price from a retiring woodworker. I have found that retiring woodworkers are a good source for quality old tools at a fair price.
I ended up taking a different route.

I bought two Marples socket handle chisels off eBay for $15 shipped. They needed a fair bit of attention but the price was right.

I also bought the Veritas deluxe honing guide and a Norton dual 1000/4000 grit stone. I need to practice my technique as @4000 grit it's sharp but not sharp enough to remove hairs off my arm. I'll see if a final pass over a strop improves things. I also need to check the alignment on the Veritas and rework the bevel on the wider chisel as it's definitely bowed.

I'll be keeping my eyes open for similar older tools. There is something about them that I just like.



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crazybrit, remember that if you buy in one country and bring them back to GB, you might be hit with import duties. Had to pay import duties for a label maker that went from the USA to Canada.
Only if the value of the goods exceeds $800. This is coming INTO the U.S.A. Shipped, or carried in.

From the U.S.A to other countries, totally different deal.
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[...]I also bought the Veritas deluxe honing guide [...]
+1 on the Veritas honing guide. There is no comparison between it and the typical honing guides that we see everywhere. I highly recommend the Veritas honing guide.
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I don't think it's the steel in the HF chisels. If you are bending the ends of the chisel then you are grinding them at the wrong angle for the wood you are using. The only time I have experienced this is if I have chisels ground for soft wood and use them on a hard wood like oak. Once the chisel is ground on a shorter angle they work fine for oak.
Wow, so different sharpening angles, depending on the hardness/type of wood the chisel is used for. Interesting.

That makes me think ... you must have different sets of chisels for different woods. If not, I would think it would be a pain to re-grind them when you switch between woods.

What angles do you use for what kind of woods?

Then there is the question of how you organize or mark them so as to avoid using the wrongly ground chisel on the wrong kind of wood.

... turning perfectly good wood into firewood every day ... :smile3:
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After having seen photos of some of the carving Steve has done I for one would not be so bold as to dispute what he says about chisels.

If you should want to sharpen them at different angles there is a plan for a simple guide to set the jig here:
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/w...s-for-dullards

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Wow, so different sharpening angles, depending on the hardness/type of wood the chisel is used for. Interesting.

That makes me think ... you must have different sets of chisels for different woods. If not, I would think it would be a pain to re-grind them when you switch between woods.

What angles do you use for what kind of woods?

Then there is the question of how you organize or mark them so as to avoid using the wrongly ground chisel on the wrong kind of wood.
I had a project once that was made out of oak and I proceeded to carve it with the same chisels I had been carving walnut with and the ends of the chisels just folded over. I did have to regrind most of the chisels I used on that project but I waited until they folded over to do it. I suppose a person could grind the chisels to a shorter angle and keep it that way but they cut softer wood so much better ground long. I found the easiest solution is to quit carving the harder woods. It's a lot of work to carve wood anyway and out of oak the job is twice as long.
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After having seen photos of some of the carving Steve has done I for one would not be so bold as to dispute what he says about chisels.

If you should want to sharpen them at different angles there is a plan for a simple guide to set the jig here:
https://www.popularwoodworking.com/w...s-for-dullards
After posting what I did I got to thinking HF is constantly changing manufacturers. It may be I got chisels from a better manufacturer than others that bought their chisels.
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I wasn't aware they they are made in China now days, I have the older set. Sorry bout that.
Damn !
I was about to recommend the same ones. Love my old Record chisel set. I've collected much better stuff over the years, but I still find myself reaching for them.

China - Damn !

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