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Cordless Drill Decision

I have a B&D Quantum 12V. 20 years plus. Rebuilt the battery packs twice. My only complaints are, it's 3/8" and it doesn't do high RPM, needed for small diameter bits.

My Craftsman corded drill, 30 years plus, is starting to smell of burned insulation when I use it, and the bushings scream. No parts available.

I need a new drill.

I read the thread about Dewalt Tools from 2011. Good stuff.

Here are what I'm considering.

Chicago Electric's 18V cordless. $45

Dewalt 970 kit, with 2 batteries, $89.

Ryobi 18V 1/2" with 2 batteries, $79.

The only attraction to Chicago Electric is replacement batteries are $14. I can't rebuild them for that! Dewalt NiCad replacement batteries are $40. At $1.75 for 1.2V NiCad cells, and 15 needed, that's $27 plus $10 shipping, or $37 to rebuild. Might as well buy new. Ryobi batteries are about the Dewalt price, but are LiIon.

Makita, Rigid, and Milwaukee are above my price range.

The single cordless will replace my dying corded, and my less than capable cordless.

I am basically a swarf rat, working in metal, but I occasionally do presentation boxes, and small items in wood. The new drill will have hundreds of roles in the shop and home.

I would appreciate your comments, and experiences with these.
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The dewalt 970 is their promo set with the non xrp batteries. Have you considered the dewalt 771 kit at Home Depot that is the new 20v lithium ion kit? Still a more basic drill but newer technology.

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Yes, I had seen that one, but had forgotten the designation. Better?

Just on Home Depot. Ouch! $50-$80 for a replacement battery pack! I plan for what I buy to last the rest of my life, perhaps 20 years. Battery packs die. Anyone out there have experience with LiIon longevity? If they last longer than NiCad, it would be (?) worth it?

Saw an article in an old Home Shop Machinist, where a fellow built a belt pack and plug in cord for his drill. With motorcycle batteries, makes for LONG runtime. But then, that turns it into a corded drill, and you must take off, put on the heavy battery pack. Nah.

How blessed we are that we must decide among so many good things when we need to make a decision.
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My BIL has the 20v li-ion set and I have the 18v ni-cad. There's no comparison. The li-ion is way better. And the batteries last longer, he uses them commercially and never got more than a year out of nicad packs, he's still on his original batteries almost 2 years in...

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Yahoo! OK! Only $10 difference!


I bought a Dewalt direct drive contractor grade circular saw from a pawn shop. It was defective. Dewalt sent not only the right parts, but a can of grease. VERY impressed. I monstrously abuse that circular saw. I use it to cut treated 4x4, 3/4" plywood, and use it as a metal cutoff saw. Using my Craftsman circular saw for metal cutoff killed it trashcan dead. Can't stop that Dewalt. (it weighs about 20 lb) Hmmm.

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The Craftsman NexTec line of 12 volt tools is excellent. One of the main advantages is that there are a whole series of tools that all use the same battery.

Since I bought the NxTec 12 volt drill my 2 big 19 volt drills are very seldom used. That Craftsman 12 volt has all of the power needed for the great majority of jobs. And, it is much smaller and easier to use.

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2 things...

1. I show the 20v drill at 119.00 vs 89.00 for the 18v

2. Home Depot has the replacement upgraded batteries for the 20v drill for 99 for 2....so battery price is the same.

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The Craftsman NexTec line of 12 volt tools is excellent. One of the main advantages is that there are a whole series of tools that all use the same battery.

Since I bought the NxTec 12 volt drill my 2 big 19 volt drills are very seldom used. That Craftsman 12 volt has all of the power needed for the great majority of jobs. And, it is much smaller and easier to use.

George

I agree the Nextec drill is top notch, I have it and the cordless multi tool, but I have found that it's not a direct replacement for a heavy duty drill especially if metal work is done. I use the Nextec 75% of the time to 25% for my dewalt 18v.

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2 things...

1. I show the 20v drill at 119.00 vs 89.00 for the 18v

2. Home Depot has the replacement upgraded batteries for the 20v drill for 99 for 2....so battery price is the same.
My local HAD them on sale for $99.95. Ace Hardware does have them at $99.95. Yes, looked today, HD, they're back up to $119.

Still waffling between Ryobi and Dewalt, but leaning toward Dewalt. But, $119 - $79 = $40. If it were $99 - $79, it would be a no brainer.

Oh yeah, did I mention a $100 HD gift card?

I'll sleep on it, tonight, and decide in the morning.
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Ryobi is hobby quality. Dewalt is much better.

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I am super happy with this Bosch. It will turn this 11/4 screw fed bit. Cordless Drill Decision-imageuploadedbywood-working-talk1420846807.025264.jpgCordless Drill Decision-imageuploadedbywood-working-talk1420846817.696019.jpg if you find something it won't turn like this 21/4 screw fed bit it is time to bring out the big guns.Cordless Drill Decision-imageuploadedbywood-working-talk1420846958.001447.jpgCordless Drill Decision-imageuploadedbywood-working-talk1420846966.246510.jpgCordless Drill Decision-imageuploadedbywood-working-talk1420846980.096326.jpg The run time is also great.
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My apologies for my confusion, but I read that you were going from a B&D, which is sold at Wal Mart, and considering a Chicago Electric, which is sold at Harbor Freight, and wanted to buy something that lasts at least 20 years. I believe you must decide whether you want something cheap, or something good.

If you're concerned about the price of batteries, Ridgid advertises a lifetime battery warranty. Worth a look.

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Keep in mind for a casual user, an inexpensive drill very well may last 20 years.

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I will only buy Rigid cordless drills because of the Lifetime Warranty. I had a 12v drill that both batteries went bad. It's a little hassle taking them to a service center and time waiting for return, but both batteries were replaced free.
I bought (HD) my Dad the 12v drill and impact driver set for $100. It even has more power than my 12v set. And you can get a set with one of the batteries are larger amh one.
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I won't buy any more portercable. I had two portercable drills, and all 4 batteries died. I now have 4 Bosch drills and all 8 batteries are still good. 2 of the drills are over 5 years old.
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Decision made!

Dewalt, all the way!

The 771 is the winnah! I'll go to Ace Hardware and lay out the $99.95! I'll save my $100 HD gift card for something else. I want to thank all concerned for their input!

BTW. Woodchipping projects included my six drawer lathe stand, my tool cabinet, tool presentation boxes, and firearm presentation boxes.

"The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten!" $99.95 cash is OK!
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Keep in mind for a casual user, an inexpensive drill very well may last 20 years.
Someone who rebuilds their own batteries doesn't strike me as a casual user.

Good choice on the DeWalt. Their 20v max line looks like a good platform to build on if you want other cordless tools in the future.

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Ya never know....some people are tinkerers.

I agree on the 20v line, I've been trying to convince my wife I should upgrade. Hasn't worked so well yet though.

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Ya never know....some people are tinkerers.

I agree on the 20v line, I've been trying to convince my wife I should upgrade. Hasn't worked so well yet though.
Can't advise you there.


Rebuilding your battery pack is easy. Care should be taken to evaluate the build vs buy choice. If your build price is 90% of your buy price, then buy.

There are numerous websites that sell NiCads and other battery types. I use www.batteryspace.com. They come in all sizes and types.

Step 1. CAREFULLY remove the screws that hold the case together, and CAREFULLY remove the top. Carefully document how the batteries go together. You will need this.
Step 2. With a cheapo voltmeter, discover which pin is positive and which negative. Document. (you always document, because some of us have CRS. (can't remember s t.))
Step 3. Measure the old battery cell. Decide what cell it is, e.g. A, or AA, and whole, half, 2/3, etc.
Step 4. Buy from the website the nearest size battery without going over the size. Choose the option with tabs.
Step 5. Carefully solder the tabs the same way as the original batteries. If there is space left over, fill with cardboard.
Step 6. Test with the voltmeter for proper polarity. Important!
Step 7. CAREFULLY put the top back on and screw it down.
Step 8. (don't laugh) Put on your face shield and gloves, and plug the newly rebuilt pack into the charger. You'll know right away if there's a problem.
Test in the appliance, and enjoy, until it, too craps out and you do it again.

Recycle the old batteries at a hardware store.

Hope some of you are daring enough to try this.

BTW. Li-Ion Dewalt battery pack, $49.95 to $99.95 at HD depending on the size. Batteryspace Li-Ion batteries, $3 - $5 each. You would need 5 to get 18.5V. $25 is 50% of $49.95. Build.

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I won't buy any more portercable. I had two portercable drills, and all 4 batteries died. I now have 4 Bosch drills and all 8 batteries are still good. 2 of the drills are over 5 years old.
I watched a u tube and a guy showed how to trick the battery into charging again. If my DeWalts poop I'm going to try it. But I need to find that U tube again. He shocked it I think with a car battery charger.

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