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Is this casting worth salvaging?

I purchased a No 5 plane for parts since the casting was broken.

I have cleaned up all the parts so now the question is whether the casting is worth salvaging.

This is the first casting with a break which I have handled. The break is complete down the left side. The overall casting is thinner than my other Stanleys.

I can flex the entire front. I think if I flexed too much it would break off.

Top view. 3 patent dates. It also had small adjuster wheel and no ring on the knob, but it is a taller knob.

Is this casting worth salvaging?-plane_stanley_5_casting_top_1207.jpg

You can see the break in this picture.

Is this casting worth salvaging?-plane_stanley_5_casting_side_break_1209.jpg

Bottom view. Corrugated. Good condition on the bottom, perhaps due to not being used after it broke.

It did not look so good before I cleaned it up.

Is this casting worth salvaging?-plane_stanley_5_casting_bottom_1210.jpg

I have had to use some of the parts on my previous No 5 rust bucket, so I will not be able to restore this just yet.

I am just wondering if this can be welded and become of user casting, or should this be repurposed or scraped?

I have a friend whose daughter is a welder. So if this is salvagable I will have him take it to the daughter.
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It can still be a user but for monetary value it will still be worth 0.0. I have a Stanley that cracked in the same location and used it for years cracked I guess. Then one day I saw the crack and decided to braise it. Function is just the same as far as I can determine. But it did teach me to look closer when buying at auctions or garage sales.
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Thanks, I may try to braze. I have not done any brazing since high school, but it should be fun to try.

I agree this would be a user in my books.

I have been looking for other parts planes and saw a No 5 with a piece which had broken out of the left side. Looks to have been brazed. The starting bid is $45. This person has a sense of humour.

See the third picture.

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I'd fix it only to prove you can do it. What kind of torch will you use?
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I'd fix it only to prove you can do it. What kind of torch will you use?
I only have a propane torch at the moment. I may need to get a MAPP gas torch for the higher temperature.
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I'd go ahead a fix it and see what you end up with. Since it flexes so easily, I'd recommend clamping the bottom to another thick piece of metal before brazing as the heat can cause pieces to flex and it could leave you with a bottom that is really out of whack when it cools. I've never tried to use propane for brazing, just oxy/acetylene - I don't think the propane will get hot enough or have a directed enough flame.

Since it still has some japanning on it, make sure you have really good ventilation/cross breeze or you'll be inhaling some nasty stuff.

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if it is not salvageable, i remember seeing a blog where the guy bored a hole in it to help make new totes

i think it was timetestedtools' blog
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if it is not salvageable, i remember seeing a blog where the guy bored a hole in it to help make new totes

i think it was timetestedtools' blog
Yes it was, he uses a broken No 5 for drilling the toe screw hole in a new tote.

http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com/?s=make+tote

Timetestedtools also makes sandpaper blocks out of the casting pieces. Interesting.

http://timetestedtools.wordpress.com/?s=broken+plane

I think I will attempt to braze. Not much to loose.
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I'd go ahead a fix it and see what you end up with. Since it flexes so easily, I'd recommend clamping the bottom to another thick piece of metal before brazing as the heat can cause pieces to flex and it could leave you with a bottom that is really out of whack when it cools. I've never tried to use propane for brazing, just oxy/acetylene - I don't think the propane will get hot enough or have a directed enough flame.

Since it still has some japanning on it, make sure you have really good ventilation/cross breeze or you'll be inhaling some nasty stuff.
Thanks, good points. I should be able to hold the other side in my vise.

I may remove the jappaning first. It looks in tough shape and the Dupli-Color Engine Enamel is easy to apply.
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I've never had any luck with MAPP gas getting large items hot enough for silver braze and warping is a problem when the entire piece isn't even temperature. Maybe you can hearth braze it using an old grill?

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Seeing Timetestedtools plane parts as sanders, has me thinking that another option may be to screw or epoxy a wood side across the entire left side. This would provide the support for the metal.

It would just mean the plane could not get as close on the left side to some protrusion, but I normally plane single pieces of wood.

I also purchased a No 5 casting and frog on EBay yesterday, so I may end up with a mix of parts from the two planes.

Good to have options.
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You can weld or solder it. Its noticeable, but it will work.
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Here's an interesting link right on subject:
http://www.wkfinetools.com/contrib/j...IronPlane1.asp
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Here's an interesting link right on subject:
http://www.wkfinetools.com/contrib/j...IronPlane1.asp
Thanks, very interesting.

I am impressed about how good the restore looks afterwards, and especially the cast iron plugs for the holes.

A lot of work in this restoration.
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