slatron25

With captive ring. These things are neat but also a pain. Sorry the pics not the greatest, I'm working on my photo skills also.

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Tim

vcooney

Nice goblet, is that walnut? Which part of making the goblet do you consider a pain? I haven't made one yet so I'm just curious.

Vince

Robocop

Looks good, nice wood. I did one a couple of years ago for a friends anniversary with two rings on it in cherry wood, mind you it took two attemps to get it right, i made my own chisels from cheap mortise chisels to make the rings, what is your method for sanding the ring?

john lucas

The photo's not bad. If you but the background a little further away and make a gentle sweep out of the bottom curve it will help the overall photo. The sharpness, color and overall contrast isn't bad at all. Mostly it's the wrinkled cloth and shadows cast on the cloth that bother me. With the background out behind it more the shadows will look more natural.

slatron25

vcooney, the tedious part is the inside of the ring. I used double sided
tape and sandpaper wrapped around the stem, a dremel tool and hand sanding to get it in good shape.

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jwcole

That's neat. I've not tried one yet, it looks difficult, but it look good.

firehawkmph

Slatron,
When cutting the captive ring, do most of your sanding before you finally cut it free. You can shape about 80% of the ring and sand it, then gently keep cutting behind it until it releases. I don't have one of those fancy tools made for captive rings, I ground the short end of an allen wrench to a point and use it. Also, that ring is a bit large for that goblet. The ring should be closer to the size of maybe a half dollar or so. Once you do cut the ring free, wrapping and taping a piece of sandpaper around the stem works well to sand the inside of the ring.
Mike Hawkins

vcooney

So...Firehawk,
What your saying is before you add your detail to the stem, wrap it with the sandpaper and spin it on the lathe to sand the ring... holding the ring with your hand?

Vince

slatron25

I think that was my mistake, waiting until I had detailed the stem before sanding the ring.
Also, I haven't read much on the size of the ring. I knew it didn't quite look right to me so I'll try for smaller on the next one.
I like the idea of sharpening an allen wrench to get back there.

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john lucas

I like the ring size to be fairly large so it gives the impression that it will come off, then they realize that it is captured, which adds to the unique feature of a captured ring.
I just use a reground screwdriver to cut the ring free. Like others have suggested I wrap sandpaper around the unfinished stem and use rubber bands to hold the sandpaper on. When doing demo's I've use CA glue with accelorator to hold the sandpaper.
Now the fun part is making interlocking double captured rings. You break one ring and then glue it back together very carefully so that it is captured inside the other ring and still captured on the stem. If you do it carefully enough the joint doesn't show.

firehawkmph

Slat
I do like John says with the sanding. And yes it would be easier to do before you detail the stem. And yes you hold the ring with your fingers and rotate it around to catch the inside edges. If you do most of your sanding on the ring before you cut it loose, it's a lot easier and quicker. Once you cut it loose, you really shouldn't have too much to sand. John, I just thought this ring in particular looked large, almost like it would knock over the goblet if someone bumped it. I haven't tried the two rings yet, sounds like fun though. I have made several of these goblets with a ring on it shaped a little more on top like a chalice in church. I give them away for first communion gifts. I usually burn the date and child's name on the bottom.
Mike Hawkins

jdixon

Tim, looks real good! I appreciate ya showing off your work. Keep it coming!

John