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post #1 of 48 Old 06-09-2011, 04:48 PM Thread Starter
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Jet Vortex Dust Collector DC1100

A lot of excitement about this new model. In an article in Woodshop News, June 2011 explains the upward vortex/tornado tends to clog the bags or filters in the older models. They do not show the interior of the separator, but describe a cone shaped plate that does a far better job of keeping chips and dust down into the lower bag.
I had a discussion with the Tech service at WHM and said I have one question, and you probably already have been asked this but "Can you retrofit this to older models?" He said "You are the 500th odd caller to ask that. He said "There are no parts available to retrofit an older unit". I said "Well you might as well make a retro kit because someone is gonna do it." He said "They had better not copy the design or there will be a patent infringement lawsuit."
So there you have it.
The Thien baffle is the best solution inside the separator for now.
A sheet metal cone is not difficult to make and if someone buys the new unit a picture of the guts would be good. I'm not sure how much better the Vortex Cone is than a Thien baffle, if at all, but they were thinking about a modification and went ahead with the cone for obvious reasons.
I wonder if one of the magazines will do a side by side test to see which is more effective. I'd be happy to test one against my Thien baffle, if they wanted to send me a new Vortex Cone version.... bill

FWIW additional info: http://www.cgallery.com/smf/index.php?topic=71.0

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I have the 240v version (2 hp) and it works as advertised.
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Any pics of the guts?

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a picture of the guts would be good.
Here ya go. Stole... er got these from another site.
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man that's too simple, thanks

More like a dome than a cone in my estimation. Only 2 pieces and cone/dome and a bracket. A retired clay modeler could spin a form and make a fiberglass mold if they were so inclined......hmmm.
I've got enough to do right now, but I just wonder if it's any more effective than a Thien baffle? Sure is prettier though, kinda like NASA did it! bill

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I said "Well you might as well make a retro kit because someone is gonna do it." He said "They had better not copy the design or there will be a patent infringement lawsuit."
I wonder if it's possible to take out a patent for a simple metal cone? It would be very interesting to see a comparison with this and the Thien baffle.
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So let's see, they manged to patent a metal strap, a metal cone, and 5 bolts / nuts? Glad to see my tax dollars going to protect "innovation"...

I would LOVE to see a side by side comparison between this, and say the previous model fitted with a Thien baffle... I know how well the Thien works, but just how well does this cone work?

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So let's see, they manged to patent a metal strap, a metal cone, and 5 bolts / nuts? Glad to see my tax dollars going to protect "innovation"...

I would LOVE to see a side by side comparison between this, and say the previous model fitted with a Thien baffle... I know how well the Thien works, but just how well does this cone work?
The cone works extremely well, but I don't have a Thien baffle to test against it. I think either is great.
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After looking at the pics of the Jet Dust Collector, I went to my local hardware store and started looking around for something that would serve as a cone so I could modify my Grizzly G8027 1 HP Dust Collector.

Found this: Chimney Top
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For $8 I figured what the heck, might as well try it and see so here is how it is progressing thus far.

First I removed the collar and brackets.
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Brackets removed.
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Brackets re-installed on the outside of the baffle followed by a test fit.

So far so good.
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Securing it to the housing using nuts/screws.
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Thanks LE!

This may be the cheapest, most clever mod I've seen. bill

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Now that's ingenuity... Great use of the ole noggin!

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I think you might be in violation of Jet's patent of the cone... Then again, I think Maxwell Smart might have been in violation of that patent as well with his Cone Of Silence...

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I think you might be in violation of Jet's patent of the cone... Then again, I think Maxwell Smart might have been in violation of that patent as well with his Cone Of Silence...
In think it is only a violation if it were marketed for profit.
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I think you might be in violation of Jet's patent of the cone...
I should be ok as long as I don't make a kit and start selling it. I think the chimney top manufacturer has them beat by a few years anyway.

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Hijacking thread - continued

Here are a couple more pics showing the completed unit (with included modification) hooked up to my disc sander and five gallon homemade dust collector. Probably overkill to the max but it will be interesting to see how the whole conglomeration functions.
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Just thinking... (No it didn't hurt) But maybe a cheap wok from Big Lots would work too.

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