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Timber framing in Finland, help needed :)

Hi! First post here. I'm making little timber frame cabin and in Finland it's very difficult to find information in this subject. As I know there are only few people in Finland who build this way.
I have made foundations and floor is soon ready, but problem is how do I continue. I have planned to build side walls on to floor and then lift them up, but how can I join these end walls between them?

Another problem is how can I make construction low as possible? Door height will be 2 meters and the beam that goes over the door should be the same height than sidewalls upper beam. I can't find a joint that would perform there?

I was plannig thet roof framing would be triangular element on the top of the side walls and all the weight of the construction comes to the side walls.

Dimensions of the floor is 5220mm x 2600mm. I try to link picture and after this pic was taken one 6 x 6" beam is mounted to the empty space. That's where the end wall with door stops and terrace begins.

I'm very gratefull to any help or pictures of similar buildings.

And sorry my english skills, hope you find out what i'm trying to say :)

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Hi! First post here. I'm making little timber frame cabin and in Finland it's very difficult to find information in this subject. As I know there are only few people in Finland who build this way.
I have made foundations and floor is soon ready, but problem is how do I continue. I have planned to build side walls on to floor and then lift them up, but how can I join these end walls between them?
I'm not familiar with construction techniques in your area. There are some general principles in framing.

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Another problem is how can I make construction low as possible? Door height will be 2 meters and the beam that goes over the door should be the same height than sidewalls upper beam. I can't find a joint that would perform there?
You didn't say exactly what you are building. Sounds like a storage building or a utility shed of some sorts. With the dimensions you provided, for one of those I mentioned, 2 meters would be OK for a door opening. If your remaining walls aren't fabricated yet, make them the same height to the beam. The bottom run under the standing uprights is fastened to the floor. The end walls are fastened together, forming the corners.

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I was plannig thet roof framing would be triangular element on the top of the side walls and all the weight of the construction comes to the side walls.
That's the way it's done for the most part. The roof members sit on/notched on/fastened to the top beam that is the perimeter of the structure.







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Hi! First post here. I'm making little timber frame cabin and in Finland it's very difficult to find information in this subject. As I know there are only few people in Finland who build this way......
Moro Iikka! Voit myös ottaa yhteyttä Bert Sarkkiseen, ihan suomeksi! Hän asuu lännellä ja on Suomessakin tehnyt hommia. Hänelle on myös joitain neuvoja Youtubessa. Firman sivu on arrowtimber.com.

Hi Iikka! You can also contact Bert Sarkkinen, in Finnish, too! He's living on the Western Coast, and has also been working in Finland. He has some piece of advice in YouTube. The firm's site is arrowtimber.com.

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Traditional?


You can also find Finnish Framing methods on You Tube.

There is no charge for the free advice, but you get what you pay for ... just sayin'
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I'm building little cabin, just more space to our summer house. Probably my son is going to sleep there. Or maybe I live there in peace and harmony :)

This cabin project that I have found from the web is closest to my idea.
http://www.mvr1.com/timberframing/timberframecabin.html

There is same kind of terrace that I've planned. But in these photos you can see how beam over the door is 10" lower than the side beam. That will increase total height of the building. What kind of joint is there anyway in this over the door beam? Maybe I can make it go little closer to side beam?

Assembly order is quite mystery also, in this website end walls are first raised, but is it possible raise sidewalls and adjust this end wall between?

-Roope, Kiitos linkistä

-woodnthings, Yes this kind of log houses are very popular in Finland. I think formerly there was only man with an axe and there was no knowledge, tools or help enough to make timber frame houses. I kind of like log houses too, but first time I saw timber frame house I realized that this is how it must be done.
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Watch this:

http://youtu.be/ueIX6A219dE

And then this:

http://youtu.be/uuNj1uUc3ts

If you need more help with joint design I can help you.

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I am a framing specialist from Sweden, we share the same construction techniques. If you have drawings I know I could help you!

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Thanks, I try to draw some pictures soon.
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Hello again, took some time to get pictures :) I realised that learning Sketchup takes more time than making a model. I have also been working to get some logs and building material on the plot. Winter is coming and looks like I have to wait spring to continue. I made shelter to the floor and foundations for the winter.

Here is two pics. Dimensions of the floor are 5220x2600, doorway 900x2000.
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Your model looks great. What joints do you need help with?

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I was thinking what kind of joints should it be between 1 and 3 and especially if beam no.1 is quite near to no.2?

What kind of joint should it be between 2 and 3? I was thinking that beam no.2 just drop on all 5 pillars.
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