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Old 12-10-2007, 11:20 AM   #41
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Howdy neighbor. Been to Kempner before. I grew up in Harker Heights. Yes the weather is one thing we can't count on here, thats why I,m looking for a economical heat source for my shop. Its wood frame an has about 500 sq ft of work space, my office is 100 sq ft and has a thru the wall air conditioner with a heater. I am considering a propane heater because we don't have natural gas available out here in the sticks.
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Here is the one I am considering. Opinions?
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Old 12-10-2007, 02:01 PM   #42
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Here's the link to a web page I found - Quote:"The heater shop - BTU Calculator makes it easy to calculate the size of heater needed. All heating requirements can be solved by mathematics when you know the various parameters. The watts to BTU converter is also on this page". http://www.heatershop.com/btu_calculator.htm

And here's link to a calculator from the Pellet Fuels Institute for Comparing Fuel Costs. http://www.pelletheat.org/3/residential/compareFuel.cfm

As I stated earlier, my shop is a well insulated 24'x28' garage/shop. According to the calculator I need 15,040 BTU (4406 Watts) for a 20 degree rise in temperature. My electric heater is 4000 - little under sized for those real cold mornings! I have a variety of supplemental heaters; propane, Kerosene, and 1500W electric to do the job.

There was a time when Kerosene was an economical choice for heat, but that doesn't seem the case now. $4.57/gallon where I live.

Hope this help!

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Old 12-11-2007, 09:44 AM   #43
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Here's the link to a web page I found - Quote:"The heater shop - BTU Calculator makes it easy to calculate the size of heater needed. All heating requirements can be solved by mathematics when you know the various parameters. The watts to BTU converter is also on this page". http://www.heatershop.com/btu_calculator.htm

And here's link to a calculator from the Pellet Fuels Institute for Comparing Fuel Costs. http://www.pelletheat.org/3/residential/compareFuel.cfm

As I stated earlier, my shop is a well insulated 24'x28' garage/shop. According to the calculator I need 15,040 BTU (4406 Watts) for a 20 degree rise in temperature. My electric heater is 4000 - little under sized for those real cold mornings! I have a variety of supplemental heaters; propane, Kerosene, and 1500W electric to do the job.

There was a time when Kerosene was an economical choice for heat, but that doesn't seem the case now. $4.57/gallon where I live.

Hope this help!

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Wow. My shop needs 55800 BTU's. Cool link Don thank you.
I think the heater I pictured above should do the job.
I wanted to use the wood stove that I already have, but most don't think its a good idea in a woodshop with all the dust and all.
I wonder if it would really be that bad since we don't really use heat that much here. Yea its a risk but heck look at the risk we take everyday in our shops. Just a thought.
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Old 12-11-2007, 02:39 PM   #44
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Thanks for the links Don. It was really interesting to compare costs for my pellet stoves versus the electric heaters.

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Old 12-13-2007, 09:44 AM   #45
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Old 12-16-2007, 03:33 PM   #46
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Thanks guys for all the advice, thats why I love it here.
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Here's the link to a web page I found - Quote:"The heater shop - BTU Calculator makes it easy to calculate the size of heater needed. All heating requirements can be solved by mathematics when you know the various parameters. The watts to BTU converter is also on this page". http://www.heatershop.com/btu_calculator.htm

And here's link to a calculator from the Pellet Fuels Institute for Comparing Fuel Costs. http://www.pelletheat.org/3/residential/compareFuel.cfm

As I stated earlier, my shop is a well insulated 24'x28' garage/shop. According to the calculator I need 15,040 BTU (4406 Watts) for a 20 degree rise in temperature. My electric heater is 4000 - little under sized for those real cold mornings! I have a variety of supplemental heaters; propane, Kerosene, and 1500W electric to do the job.

There was a time when Kerosene was an economical choice for heat, but that doesn't seem the case now. $4.57/gallon where I live.

Hope this help!

-Don
I just ordered the following heater, primarily to heat an avocado tree to stop any freezing from happening...

After seeing this, I wonder how it would work in a small shop area, about 1/2 of a double garage?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W8W6Z2

It's a kerosene heater... 10,000 BTU... omni coverage (circular)... looks like a Coleman camping lantern... heats for 12 hrs. on a tank.

Can I get double useage from it?
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I just ordered the following heater, primarily to heat an avocado tree to stop any freezing from happening...

After seeing this, I wonder how it would work in a small shop area, about 1/2 of a double garage?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000W8W6Z2

It's a kerosene heater... 10,000 BTU... omni coverage (circular)... looks like a Coleman camping lantern... heats for 12 hrs. on a tank.

Can I get double useage from it?
I dunno, Joe... I just bought the Reddy Heater kerosene 55K BTU torpedo to try to get my garage/workshop livable.

My garage is about 18x20 (call it a skinny two-car garage), completely uninsulated, open roof/rafters, cement slab.

I let it burn for about 45 minutes and it'll get the temp up to about 55-60 degrees in the garage with an outside Michigan temp of around 25F. Which isn't too shabby, considering that 90% of the heat is leaking right out the roof.

10K wouldn't cut the mustard, at least in my case...

That said, I'd really enjoy having the responsibility of having to keep an avocado tree warm, and I would guard that thing with my life. Pick your guacamole right off the branch.... That, my friend, would be heaven. All I'd need at that point would be a Tequila tree right next to it. LOL

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I dunno, Joe... I just bought the Reddy Heater kerosene 55K BTU torpedo to try to get my garage/workshop livable.

My garage is about 18x20 (call it a skinny two-car garage), completely uninsulated, open roof/rafters, cement slab.

I let it burn for about 45 minutes and it'll get the temp up to about 55-60 degrees in the garage with an outside Michigan temp of around 25F. Which isn't too shabby, considering that 90% of the heat is leaking right out the roof.

10K wouldn't cut the mustard, at least in my case...

That said, I'd really enjoy having the responsibility of having to keep an avocado tree warm, and I would guard that thing with my life. Anything that provides unlimited guacamole is A-OK in my book.
Ahh yes, it get C O L D where you are!

Here, it may dip to 32 and doesn't too much harm most of the time (to avocado tree)... We have not had avocados in two years due to freezing temps!! The new growth for buds are forming right now... for next spring... if they freeze, no fruit PERIOD... damn shame... One night can do it... The last time we got fruit, we got over 300 of the jewels, breaking records... doubt if that ever happens again.

It was nice...

I have tarps out there right now, ready to try to cover a 12' x 12' tree... Pinkertons...
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Ahh yes, it get C O L D where you are!

Yes it does... we just got 12 inches of snow today. Major emergency, at least if you listen to the dipwads on the local TV stations.

The drifts on my back deck are about 30 inches high. Pretty cool, actually, it's about time we got some decent snow around here.

No problemo, time to fire up the snowmobile, put the helmet on and blow the cobwebs outta my head!

(still, it'd be killer to have an avocado tree. Tell ya the truth, I didn't know the things grew on a tree... woulda' guessed they lived on a vine or something)

"California "Dreaming"... a good tune to listen to today.

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Yes it does... we just got 12 inches of snow today. Major emergency, at least if you listen to the dipwads on the local TV stations.

The drifts on my back deck are about 30 inches high. Pretty cool, actually, it's about time we got some decent snow around here.

No problemo, time to fire up the snowmobile, put the helmet on and blow the cobwebs outta my head!

(still, it'd be killer to have an avocado tree. Tell ya the truth, I didn't know the things grew on a tree... woulda' guessed they lived on a vine or something)

"California "Dreaming"... a good tune to listen to today.

It sounds like that heater will take the chill off and get it into a more comfortable range...

Would the Kerosene being burned in the garage cause any problems other than I should have good ventilation?
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Outside is no prob. Inside, you need to keep an eye on it...

Personally, I wouldn't let one burn overnight in my house while I'm sleeping.. but on the other hand, I've stayed nice and warm at deer-camp with a kerosene heater blazing away....

However, it wasn't my joint and I had a window right next to me to jump out of if I needed to...

Play it by ear, but if the area you're heating is attached to your house, I'd recommend caution. As long as you buy good clean kerosene (K-1) you should be good, smell-wise, it really isn't that bad. Avoid the vanilla/pine/hollyberry "smell good" additives that you see at the Big Boxes... they hurt more than they help, believe me...

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Thank you... It's good that I'll be able to use it for more than an Avocado tree!

I wouldn't think of running one inside overnight... that would be asking for trouble... too dangerous.
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