NEWONE

I brought a delta planer mod.22-790x planer -

230 volts
a - 15
ph1
hz60
hp3
rpm 3450

what is on the motor - my question is what size wire is needed to make work without hurting the motor,
an 12/2 or 14/2

need to know, for hookup

thank you
newone

Mr Mac

Fourteen gauge wire supports 15 amps or 1,800 watts and 12 gauge wire is rated for 20 amps or 2,400 watts. My whole shop is getting set up with 12/2 wiring and 20 amp circuits (table and RAS will get dedicated circuits) and 20A outlets. Any 220V 20A circuits will be wired with 12/3 which is what I would use for that planer or any other 220V machine.

As for your motor, doesn't the current draw drop to just over 5A (+/-) at 220V?

How 220v works with a 3 wires:
1 Black wire carries 110v
1 Red/White wire carries 110v (if you use white flag it with red electrical tape)
1 Green wire acts as a ground/common

How 220v works with 4 wires: (one wire to each) (preferred)
1 Black wire carries 110v
1 Red wire carries 110v
1 White wire acts as a common
1 Green wire acts as a ground

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jlord

Hi newone,
I don't even use 14 gauge for extension cords. They tend to curl up & twist after awhile. I have a 50 amp circuit for my welder & it uses thicker than 12 gauge. So it depends on what you intend to use on that circuit. I would not wire any plug with 14 gauge to run your planer it's too thin. 14 gauge is more suited for a lighting circuit & even there I used 12 gauge with 15 amp breakers.

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jlord

Are you sure you have the labeling right in your example?
A 12/2 wire would consist of:
1 Black (hot)
1 White (common or neutral)
1 bare copper or green (ground)

A 12/3 wire would consist of:
1 Black (hot)
1 Red (hot)
1 White (common or neutral)
1 bare copper or green (ground)

A 12/4 wire would consist of:
Usually for commercial or industrial in 3 phase applications
1 Black (hot)
1 Red (hot)
1 Blue (hot)
1 White (common or neutral)
1 copper or green (ground)
some exeptions but not usually found in residential wiring.

The copper or ground wire is not counted in the description. Most homes have 240/120 volt 3 wire service.

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TomC

I have ran many power tools on 14 gauge wire. I don't believe there is a problem as long as the current draw is less than 15 amps. I can tell you from experienc that wiring with 14 gauge wire is easier than 12 gauge. The 14 gauge wire is more flexable and easier to work with when you have two or wire wires in a box. However, when I wired my shop I only used 14 gauge for the lighting circuits.
I'm not sure why anyone would use three conductor wire on a 220V circuit if the plug only has three prongs; two hot and one ground. On some applance such as a dryer or stove that has a 4 prong plug you would use three conductor wire with a ground.
TomC

rrbrown

Your example which I colored blue is correct for 110v, however the original post was for 220v on a 12-2+ ground line.

12-2+ Ground 220v

Black - (Hot)
White - (Hot)
Bare wire - (Ground)

There would be no neutral in this circumstance.

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Wizard1500

I don't claim to be an electrician, but I always use 12 ga for 110, and 10 ga for 220.....I thought 10 ga was required for 220.....

jlord

While you can run power tools on 14 gauge doesn't mean you should use 14 gauge to wire your circuit. You should use 12 gauge because it is large enough for all common tools in a work shop. While 14 gauge is easier to work with I would not use that as a reason to use it.

For receptacles powering your equipment you should be using 12 gauge wire, 14 gauge is to thin & has the possibility of heating up under use of shop equipment depending on demand. You never know what you will want to plug into in the future. Better to be on the safe side. Around here (So. Cal.) Receptacle wiring is done with a minimum of 12 gauge for 20 amp breakers, 10 gauge for 30 amp & so on. You should not wire any receptacle with 14 gauge wire & a 15 amp breaker as it will cause you headaches in the future.

12/2 wire has 2 wires + ground (black, white, & copper ground for a total of 3 wires). 12/3 wire has 3 wires + ground (black, red, white, + copper ground) for a total of 4 wires. The ground wire is not counted for labeling product.

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jlord

Hi,
Sorry my example was not clearer. The wiring is ok, I was just referring to the labeling of the wire used. Your example is correct for 12/2 220v. In the post I was referring to the example of the 12/3 & 12/4.

The ground wire is not counted in the labeling. His 12/3 wire is actually 12/2, & his 12/4 is actually 12/3 wire. It could get confusing when time comes to buy the wiring & trying to read the labeling for for the requirements needed. I guess if he used separate individual wires run thru conduit it would be correct. Most people just use Romex & there the labeling would apply.

The original OP should stop buy the book section when picking up his wiring supplies. He will find the info right there to use as a guide in his installation.

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woodnthings

http://www.dewaltservicenet.com/docu...12,22-790X.pdf

However I could not find operating amperages and starting amperages, but you can look on the manufactures plate on the motor as they may be different. 15 amps is right at the limit of no. 14 wire, so that's why they recommend no. 12 wire.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_A..._hp_motor_draw

bill

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GeorgeC

THIS is a good article to read to help understand wiring in the home.

George

Mr Mac

And all I was saying was that in my shop where a 220V dedicated circuit is required it will be done with 12/3 (4 wires total) on 20A breakers with 20A outlets. I have/had my labeling correct.

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Mr Mac

The wire size is determined by the load carried. In most cases, inside you house, you'll find 14 gauge wiring for your standard outlets connected to 15A breakers/outlets, 12 gauge for 20A and 10 gauge for 30A (like an electric water heater, clothes dryer, etc.) and up to 6 gauge for things like your electric range which typically draw 40A.

The best way to really know what is needed/required for a branch circuit is to check with your local building inspector and have them look up the local code(s) if it differs from the NEC and find out if a permit and inspection are required for a single circuit.

Mac

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jriffel

OK, The problem here is not wether 14 ga wire is sufficient for a 15 amp receptical, the problem is the 3 horsies that the motor provides. 15 amp run current is fine, but the starting surge current is going to be the killer. Look in the National Electric Code for the minimum wire size for a 3 hp 240 v single phase motor. I'm betting that they will spec 10 ga wire on a 20 amp breaker. With 10 ga you will be able to be more than 50 feet from the panel.

I will never wire with 14 ga to anything. Period. It just produces too much heat when I will probably load the circuit to the max. Up-wiring (12 ga for 15-amp) doesn't cost much more, and it won't heat up nearly as much. It gives me peace of mind and I know I won't have to replace it in 15 years time as current use goes up.
Jim

darrellhackney

what you need is 12-3 with ground